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  • 1.  Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 14-May-2019 22:36
    So now a recruiter is looking for someone who has five years of experience writing CERs, while I'm looking for a reality check.

    As far as I know:

    • There was virtually no such thing as a CER writer until Rev 4 was issued in June 2016, exactly three years ago.  There were a lot of people who got 6-12 month contracts to write CERs at that time, but after the Rev 4 rush was over, I think the demand slowed to a routine trickle, and since then most of them have gone on to do other things.
    • The people who write CERs are either medical writers or RA professionals.  Medical writers write lots of different kinds of documents and RA professionals do a lot of different things.  Neither one writes CERs full time.  (I've only ever written them in the course of getting CE certification, because a CER was needed, and there was no one else to write one.)

    I think some large device companies, and probably some consulting groups who offer specialized services to a lot of companies, may have some full-time CER writers, but I think they are probably few and far between?

    If you know of anyone who has been writing CERs full time for the past three years, I would like to know, just out of personal curiosity. 

    If you know someone who has been writing CERs full time for at least the past three years and might be interested in a full-time remote position, have them get in touch...


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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 2.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 15-May-2019 08:41
    ​Hello -
    I have been writing CERs for over 6 years. MEDDEV Rev 3 came about around 2003 and I volunteered at my employer (global medical device company) to write some of the first ones for their devices. I enjoyed writing and had a clinical operations background and was interested in such an opportunity. After that, I spent 2 years full-time writing CERs for the same large company. I am now at another large global medical device company and have spent the last 3 1/2 years writing CERS under MEDDEV Rev 4. We have many full-time CER writers employed in my immediate work group. Our group has a variety of backgrounds but most are medical writers. Several have nursing backgrounds and one even was a perfusionist. The clinical background is immensely helpful in developing the CERs. We work with our regulatory partners but we actually write the CERs. With the MDR, we will be busy for a long time keeping up with the many devices that need their CERs updated in my company.
    Hope that offers some context. I am very happy in my current position and not interested in another position, but I just wanted to offer some context to the other comments in your post.

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    Carol Opalek MSN, CCRC, CCRA
    Principal Medical Writer
    Norton Shores MI
    USA
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  • 3.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 15-May-2019 09:28
    Carol, thanks, that is great information. 

    I am sometimes contacted by recruiters who have placed mostly in pharma and are at loss with devices, or mostly in clinical or engineering and are at a loss with RA, etc.  Some don't want to understand the industry/profession they are recruiting for; some do.  (Reference - Lindsey Summer's post about different types of recruiters.)  I give them my best take but...(Reference back to my many comments on geographic tidepools).  Nice to have some confirmation from another vantage point.

    I also have a long-standing interest in the emergence and development of professions, perhaps because I got in early on both medical writing (especially locally) and RA (especially devices).

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 4.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 16-May-2019 08:52
    I am glad that a number of you all chimed in.  I started researching and writing clinical evaluations using literature all the way back in 2007 - what started as an assumed exercise in generating paper that no one would ever read, evolved into a critical management tool that uncovered recalled devices sold on 3rd world markets by unscrupulous middlemen, off label uses that led to strengthened IFUs and new uses that served as input for new product development.  Link to post market surveillance programs and risk management was a strong part of the system we used to bring business value to the process. Regrettably we stopped last year after over a decade of providing business value because the reviewers became too focused on rev 4 format and the use of computer algorithms  irrespective of substance.

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    Beverly Whitaker
    Indigo Consulting Group, LLC
    Beaufort SC
    United States
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  • 5.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 16-May-2019 11:48
    Ah, you bring back memories (not good ones) of the widespread introduction of computers for data analysis.  (Yes, little ones, once upon a time, we analyzed all of our data with hand calculators, which replaced pencils, which replaced abacuses. (Abacai?) 

    I am probably the last generation to fully appreciate the damage done, with the analysis and display of the data tailored to the software, rather than the research question.  And none of the real understanding of the data that comes with laboriously working through it by hand.

    I expect the "digital transformation of healthcare," and the efforts to use EHRs for postmarket surveillance to go the same way, only much worse, with far too many cooks in the stew.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 6.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 19-May-2019 13:41
    Carol, do the full-time CER writers in your work group have titles that identify them as CER writers?

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 7.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 20-May-2019 08:25
    ​The writers in my group have the title "Medical Writer" and our job descriptions specify working on CERs. We, in reality, do a lot of project management because we collaborate with many cross-functional areas such as RA, post market surveillance, marketing, risk management, R&D and clinical studies to name a few. But we are the ones who actually author the CER based on the input from many other areas. We also have an internal MD review the CER.
    In another company I worked for the position was "Clinical Research Scientist" and I worked on CERs in that position as well as other duties. I have also seen where the CER position was titled "Clinical Risk Specialist".
    Definitely a niche job with different titles depending upon the company which has those types of positions.

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    Carol Opalek MSN, CCRC, CCRA
    Principal Medical Writer
    Norton Shores MI
    USA
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  • 8.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 20-May-2019 10:27
    I like that "Clinical risk specialist"!  Suggests that someone involved thinks CERs are not just another document somebody had to write and put in the tech file in order to "meet requirements," and even understood its purpose.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 9.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 15-May-2019 09:29
    Julie :

    Thank you for always ranting in this forum. Knowing that I am not the only one that loves to rant about the current medical device regulatory landscape (in particular in Europe) is a huge comfort to me ;) ! 

    Now with respect to the issue of CER writers … .

    First of all and anecdotal : I remember first reading the MEDDEV Rev 4 document just after it was published in June 2016. Coincidentally, the campaign for that year's US presidential elections was in full swing and it struck me that (at least formally) the requirements for this function were far less than those for writing a CER about, say, many basic and familiar medical devices like syringes or other injection or infusion devices. Indeed, the requirements from MEDDEV Rev 4 for the authors of CERs seemed to be thought up by a forum with a way too academic/bureaucratic mindset and that could never be put to practice in the real world. 

    Yet, I do happen to know of at least one individual that has been writing CERs for many, many years (well over a decade). It is someone that I highly respect. He has a double degree (one in medicine and on in electrical engineering) and worked for many years at a leading Notified Body in Germany, before becoming a consultant. Many, many years ago he was already aware of the increasing importance of CERs both for manufacturers and for Notified Bodies (that might lose their designation if they would not have adequate skills to review CERs). He retired just a few years back, but I do not know whether he still occasionally comes to the rescue of manufacturers or Notified Bodies for writing or reviewing CERs. 

    Also, I happen to know a local (i.e., based in Lausanne, Switzerland) consulting company that has been writing CERs for a great many years now. Their founders, too, had properly anticipated the increase in requirements for CERs and the business opportunity it represented to them. And it seems very likely that other consulting organizations have done similarly. 

    Also, I recently attended a local meeting of Swiss Medtech (an organization representing the Swiss medical device industry) and asked about the feedback the attendees had received from their Notified Bodies regarding the authors of their CERs. It seems currently acceptable (defensible) practice that a knowledgeable person with a product engineering, quality, or regulatory function writes the report, but that it is reviewed (and signed) by someone with the appropriate medical background. It now remains to be seen how the acceptance of this practice evolves over time as CERs keep gaining importance under the EU MDR (mutatis mutandis the EU IVDR). Yet, manufacturers and Notified Bodies alike must keep finding mutually acceptable practices for CERs as to assure an implementation of the requirements that is addressing the device's clinical safety and performance in a practicable goal-oriented manner, not as a bureaucratic exercise. 

    With kindest regards,



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    Ary Saaman
    Director, Regulatory Affairs
    Lausanne
    Switzerland
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  • 10.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 15-May-2019 11:06
    Edited by Julie Omohundro 15-May-2019 11:07
    LOL...I first encountered Rev 3 in late 2011, I think.  After reading through it, the first words out of my mouth were, "I don't know who wrote this thing, but I do know that no one involved knows a thing about the medical device industry."  Since then I have alternately described 2.7.1 as "a swamp" and "the unfortunate love child of a librarian and an academic medical researcher."

    As for who can write a CER, that's a case in point.  If the EU comes around to thinking that only an MD can write a CER...well, I want to be around to see that one play out.  I don't want to get into what is acceptable/defensible, because I know from personal experience that what is acceptable/defensible to an NB is...unpredictable, I guess I could say.  I think nursing is a great background for CER writing, but I'm not sure that eliminates the need for medical review.  Nursing and medicine are two very different professions.

    On the whole, however, I think everyone is confusing writing with authoring, which points back to academic researchers, I think.  Academics just love to publish, publish, publish.  And to be authors. I have written many types of papers that did not have my name on them, because I wasn't the author; I was the writer.

    IMO, the background of the writer doesn't really matter in a substantive way.  The knowledge base of the writer matters from a practical perspective, because it determines how well (and more so how quickly and easily) they can write something the "author" or "authors" will sign off on.  On the whole, though, anyone can "write" a CER.  The onus is on the "author" to make sure the document is clear, complete, accurate, meets regulatory requirements etc.  In practice, not everyone is going be able to find someone to pay them to write a CER, because, although anyone can, not everyone is going to be very good at it.  And, in practice, a lot of people will sign anything, so if you want clear, complete, accurate, meets regulatory requirements, etc, you are going to need for the writer to cover that, because the "author" will not.

    As for CERs, now you have made me realize (again, sigh) that I'm an idiot.  With due acknowledgement to CER writers like Carol, who work at the large globals in the US, I would guess that the place to find really long-time CER writers is in the EU, not in the US. Duh.

    PS  I'm pleased to hear someone likes my rants.  Not that I'm likely to stop regardless. :)

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 11.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 15-May-2019 13:40
    ​Julie - thanks for following up to my above post. In the end, these are all serious matters deserving everyone's serious attention. On a less serious note : I believe there is no cure for ranting, yet  ... With kindest regards -

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    Ary Saaman
    Director, Regulatory Affairs
    Lausanne
    Switzerland
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  • 12.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 16-May-2019 10:53

    Speaking of CER's, our Colorado Local Networking Group is getting together this evening at TerumoBCT for a talk from TUV's Clinical Expert on "Clinical Considerations For the New EU Regulations". There are quite a few CER Writers registered for the event but wanted to share here incase anyone from Colorado was following this thread. Hope to see you there!

    https://corapslngeumdr.app.rsvpify.com/

    Side note, although I am a very heavy biotech/pharma recruiter I've been trying hard for a number of years now to understand the Device/IVD space and have placed Class II & III folks, including those that have written original PMAs, ex-US people with Med Device experience focused in APAC and CDx Regulatory people. Agreed that if you recruit Pharma/Biotech you can't immediately jump into Device/IVD. It's a very different candidate and you have to take the time to understand. I'm very grateful to the hiring managers and candidates I work with because I learn from them every single day! 😊

    Also, if you know any good recruiters in the Denver area I am hiring on my team and would love to speak with them.



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  • 13.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 16-May-2019 13:36
    How I understood the requirements now for CER completion is that it should be completed by a multi-functional group. Not just one medical writer, writing isolated from everyone else. The CER should be written/reviewed by various functions such as regulatory, engineering, quality, medical, clinical at the minimum, correct? How can one person be a "CER Writer" now? Wouldn't it be more appropriate as a CER Project Manager?Just curious as I've never made it a practice to write CERs as an isolated writer. Even though I've worked in small companies, I've always had a medical writer, clinical, me as regulatory/engineering/quality, and a couple of medical doctors sign-off and look at it.

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    Clarisa Tate
    VP, Product Development and Regulatory Affairs
    Medical Devices Professional, RA/QA/Engineering
    Bay Area, CA
    USA
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  • 14.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 16-May-2019 15:40
    Sigh, so much to rant about, so little time.  This one can be covered fairly briefly, at least.

    From a Regulatory perspective, CERs "should" always be a team effort.  As should clinical study protocols, clinical study reports, and most regulatory submissions.  (Have you heard people claiming to have "authored" a 510(k) or PMA?  What is up with that, I don't even want to know.  But I would bet a little money that there is a PhD somewhere at the bottom of it.)

    From a Compliance perspective, how any of these documents "should" be done is established by the minimum necessary to "meet the requirements."  With both the MDD/MDR, there are the written requirements and there is what the NBs will "accept."  ("Accept" depends on how you define what action the NB will take if it doesn't accept...refuse to certify, withdraw certification, or note it as an audit finding, and then give you a year to address. And then another year and then another year.)

    Regardless, there is no arguing with recruiters about whether there is really such a thing as a CER writer, or a clinical protocol writer, or a clinical study report writer, or whether someone has actually "authored" a regulatory submission.  A candidate can hope that, if they finally make it through all the confusion to the hiring manager, there will be a real understanding of these matters on the other side.  But this is not something to bet the house on, in my experience.  Maybe not even the front door.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 15.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 16-May-2019 17:37
    Hello All, 
    Thank you for posting this question.  I have been writing CERs since 2016, and it fell in my lap being an RA/QA professional, MEDDEV 2.7/1 Rev 4 was the version I wrote my first CER.   I do not write CERs fulltime as other RA/QA duties consume the rest of my time such as the inputs to the CER, risk analysis, Post Market Clinical Follow-Up, PMS, not to mention special projects and routine daily tasks. 

    I have been approached by many companies to write CERs, it is a very lucrative business.  The positions are out there you just have to look carefully.  I believe my background in clinical studies, pathology, lab science, R&D, new product development, product management and a certificate in risk management helped me complete successful CERs.  I also have a background in biomedical engineering and diagnostics.  I have always written high-level user manuals and technical data sheets as a product manager and Director of QA/QC of Biosciences Lab that tested reagents and other types of medical devices.  It's quite a lengthy process to gather the clinical data and compile the information without just regurgitating what the clinical literature stated, that is the art of writing CERs.  

    Vest regards,
    Val

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    Valantou Dovellos, HT/HTL(ASCP), PA, CPTAE ,MBA
    Regulatory Affairs/Quality Assurance Systems Analyst
    IsoAid, LLC
    7824 Clark Moody Blvd
    Port Richey, FL 34668
    Phone: 866.710.5995
    Fax: 727.815.1972
    Email:Val.dovellos@isoaid.com
    www.isoaid.com


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  • 16.  RE: Now it's CER Writers...

    Posted 18-May-2019 23:56
    I must say, I didn't expect this subject to inspire so many comments!.  Thanks to all of you for your thoughts on CER writing.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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