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  • 1.  Predicate 510(k) Summary

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 26-Feb-2019 10:38
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    I am trying to find a chosen predicate's 510(k) summary.  The only comment I can find on the FDA search is that I can get the information on FDA internet.  I requested it from FOIA a month ago, still no answer.  I tried the company's Web site, but not there either.  I'm preparing our pre-Submission and the summary would be of very great help.

    Does anyone have any ideas??


  • 2.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 26-Feb-2019 10:43
    I apologize in advance if you have already done this but go to this link https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfpmn/pmn.cfm and search for the predicate.  If it is recently cleared the 510(k) summary may not have been posted yet.  There are also circumstances in which the 510(k) summary is not available due to some technological glitch.  Finally, some postings only have a statement not a summary.

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    William Coulston PMP, MS, RAC
    Quality & Regulatory Manager
    San Antonio TX
    United States
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  • 3.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

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    Posted 26-Feb-2019 11:56
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    Thank you William for responding so quickly and with good advises, however, I did go to that link but only found a message telling me to go to FDA...


  • 4.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 27-Feb-2019 09:28
    ​If it is an older 510(k), you could try the FOI website. It is a for-profit site that provides downloadable copies (if they have them) for a fee.
    FOI services, Inc.


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    Dolan Mills, RAC
    Principal Specialist, Regulatory Affairs
    United States
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  • 5.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

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    Posted 28-Feb-2019 14:44
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    Hi Dolan, 
    Thank you for the FOI website heads up.  I had not used it before and I'm quite impressed.  Sadly, I tried all kinds of searchers, but was not able to find the 510(k) summary I am looking for.  Amazing huh?

    Open for more suggestions...


  • 6.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 27-Feb-2019 05:50
    Can some one explain why some 510k's have a summary and some only have a statement?

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    Mike Kilkelly
    Quality Manager
    Galway
    Ireland
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  • 7.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 27-Feb-2019 11:14
    The company can choose to provide either a 510(k) Summary or a 510(k) Statement.  A 510(k) Summary (as maybe seen in example on FDA website) contain the summary information about the device.  A 510(k) Statement is a "promise" that information related to safety and effectiveness will be provided in 30 days.  Usually do not recommend 510(k) Statement as FDA holds really strongly to the 30 days and must provide the file.

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    Richard Vincins RAC
    Vice President Global Regulatory Affairs
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  • 8.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 28-Feb-2019 08:11
    Hello Mike,

    To follow up on Statement versus Summary, a company filing a Statement instead of a public summary is obligated to provide WHOEVER requests a complete copy of their 510(k), at no charge, within 30 days.  You do not have to ask FDA or FOI for it or go through them. 

    The 510(k) holder is allowed to redact proprietary information, trade secrets, etc. before providing. But they are not allowed to redact safety or efficacy data- technical data -that demonstrates the device was SE.

    If I see 510(k) Statements filed by my client's competitors, I always request the complete 510(k).  And bonus then, since I am not part of the client company, it is unclear to the 510(k) holder who is asking. 

    I have a standard letter template I shoot off.  PM me if you want a copy.  Sometimes though, the company or its listed contact has moved and the letter gets returned.  Best to confirm the address on the clearance with the establishment/device listing database.

    If they don't provide it, I will report them to FDA.  I had one Japanese company send one page of it (cover page) along with  a letter saying their legal counsel told them they didn't have to provide it.  That letter went straight to my contact at FDA.

    Just for education/competitive analysis it is fun to request them and see how others are positioning their device. 

    Good luck!


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    Ginger Cantor, MBA, RAC
    Founder/Principal Consultant
    Centaur Consulting LLC
    River Falls, Wisconsin 54022 USA
    715-307-1850
    centaurconsultingllc@gmail.com
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  • 9.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 28-Feb-2019 15:58
    ​I've never had cause to request a 510(k) statement, but at one time it was my impression that FDA was not inclined to intervene in the event that a company did not respond to a request.  I would be interested to know a bit more...

    Richard, when you say FDA holds really strongly to the 30 days, what type of action on FDA's part are you referring to as "holding strongly"?

    Ginger, after you sent the letter to your FDA contact, did you get the Statement?

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 10.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

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    Posted 04-Dec-2019 11:19
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    I have reported several companies to FDA for not providing their 510(k) copy (requested based on statement) or responding that the entire 510(k) is confidential.

    FDA addressed the first one I reported, but none of the others. I have to think, if FDA is under resourced, then I would prefer they use the resources for other enforcement over noncompliance with the 510(k) statement.

    "Noncompliance with the 510(k) Statement will be deemed a prohibited act under section 301(p) of the FD&C Act and FDA may choose to use its enforcement powers to obtain compliance."



  • 11.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 05-Dec-2019 07:03
    It has been my experience that FDA will act on your behalf to prompt a recalcitrant sponsor to provide a redacted 510(k) based on their statement.  However, I have not experienced them going to the extent of withdrawing a 510(k) clearance.  I also have not had experience with a sponsor claiming the entire 510(k) is confidential, although there would certainly be grounds for a legal challenge to such a claim (but who would expend $$ and time pursuing such?).  Personally, I believe that FDA should propose legislative action to eliminate the 510(k) statement as an option since there is no enforcement provision in the FD&C act, and require 510(k) summaries.

    James

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    James Bonds J.D.
    Director Regulatory Affairs
    Atlanta GA
    United States
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  • 12.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 05-Dec-2019 09:13
    I think a lot depends on what you imagine the purpose of the Summary and Statement, and of posting them, to be, if you have imagined them to have any purpose at all.  But that's a muse for another day.  Today, it's a moot point, because I can't imagine FDA actually enforcing this requirement.  Not sure if it was ever intended to be enforced.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 13.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 05-Dec-2019 15:34
    Hello - on this subject and in this e-mail thread there are a number of items to consider.

    1) Finding prior 510(k) clearances:
    - In some instances FDA has chosen not to post certain clearances known only to FDA, though this is rare.

    - For some older clearances there are inconsistencies in spellings of the company name, product name, and other searchable data.  One my 510(k)'s was the subject of such a problem that still persists today - from 2001.

    - A researcher sometimes has to: (i) Use brute force and manually search, (ii) Download as much data as possible and perform wildcard searches, or, (iii) Ask for outside help from FDA, FOI Services or other external resources including an inquiry to FDA from outside counsel.

    2) On the Topic of 510(k) Statements and Summaries:
    - Companies do have a legal obligation to respond to all requests within 30 days.

    - One commenter noted that FDA has not acted on this in some time which for a lack of better words is too bad - as it unfairly relieves some companies of legally-based disclosures.  This unfortunately ties in with CDRH's recent pullback from issuing device-related 483's and Warning Letters.

    - I am aware of a USA company and one its US-based subsidiaries receiving a Warning Letter for not responding to a 30-day request but that was many years ago..... 

    Respectfully, FDA should strictly enforce this as many of their current and future initiatives surrounding 510(k)'s are based on predicates, and predicates being less than 10 years old......  Unless FDA truly intends to change the 510(k) program to performance-based testing only which is a different topic altogether.

    Thanks,  Frank Pokrop

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    Frank Pokrop CQA, CSQE, CPGP, CQE, RAC
    Sr. Director, Regulatory Affairs
    Carlsbad CA
    United States
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  • 14.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 05-Dec-2019 09:14
    What action(s) did it take?

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 15.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 06-Dec-2019 07:51
    I have had FDA help chase down on one when one foreign company from Japan refused to provide anything. I agree legal action would be pointless waste of $ and time if you didn't receive it initially. What you would eventually get back is something so redacted there would really be no point. 

    Not sure I totally agree with James on getting rid of 510(k) statement entirely yet.  I have had many freely given 510(k)s, where the RA contact didn't bother to redact much at all. They were very useful.







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    Ginger Cantor, MBA, RAC
    Founder/Principal Consultant
    Centaur Consulting LLC
    River Falls, Wisconsin 54022 USA
    715-307-1850
    centaurconsultingllc@gmail.com
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  • 16.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 06-Dec-2019 22:38
    Edited by Julie Omohundro 06-Dec-2019 23:18

    Ginger C, I'm not clear on the link between the 510(k) statement and the 510(k) freely given.  I'm inclined to think that those who freely give will do so whether they have posted a statement or a summary.  Though, if they post a summary, they are probably seldom asked to give.

    I've always been negatively impressed by companies that post statements instead of summaries.  Now you have got me to wondering whether some companies might actually be trying to that they are happy to share more than the summary, and all you have to do is ask.  I'm inclined to think that is not what most of them are trying to say, however.



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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 17.  RE: Predicate 510(k) Summary

    Posted 06-Dec-2019 11:36
    FDA has consistently claimed they don't have regulatory authorities to rescind 510(k) clearances, so I can't imagine a situation like this being the place they would choose to push the limits on that.

    g-

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    Ginger Glaser RAC
    Chief Technology Officer
    MN
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