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  • 1.  Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 25-Oct-2021 11:12
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Hello,

    Hoping for some thoughts on this query relating to the IVDR:

    We are an non-EU manufacturer supplying IVDs into the union. The organisation we have lined up to be the appointed importer in the union will also be distributing the products there, either directly to the customers or to 3rd party distributors.

    My question is around the joint role of importer and distributor. Both of these roles are well defined in the IVDR and include the "verification' of the previous step in the supply chain. Since both these roles will be conducted by the same entity, i assume there needs to be separate processes at the site that covers both the importer responsibilities and then the distributor. In reality, it will be same people performing the roles. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to handle this? How do we effectively capture the verification the distributor makes on the importer if its the same organization doing both? I also think it prudent to have separate agreements in place between us and the company, one for the importer responsibilities and one for the distributor rather than combining them in one. Thoughts?

    Kind Regards

    Thanks


  • 2.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 02:39
    Hello,

    There was another discussion about this 10 days ago. To me understanding of that discussion the outcome was:
    If the company is acting as importer and distributor it would be defined by MDR/IVDR as an importer and would have to fulfill article 13 for importers. If the company is only acting a distributor then it would be a distributor under MDR/IVDR and needs to fulfill article 14. The article 13 includes all responsibility of article 14  although the wording differs a bit.

    Somebody may correct me if my conclusion of that previous discussion is wrong....

    Kind regards,

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    Enrico Schurig
    Le Mont-sur-Lausanne
    Switzerland
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  • 3.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 04:03
    Hello,

    What Enrico said is basically it: an importer can also take on the roles of a distributor.  These responsibilities are outlined in Article 13 and 14 which as stated some overlap.  This means there does not need to be two steps "2-steps" in the process for getting product in Europe, but the single entity can just ensure all of those requirements are being met which cover Article 13 and 14.  As with anything in a quality system, the important aspect is making sure documentation of the process and records are maintained for these activities to show they are being completed.

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    Richard Vincins RAC
    Vice President Global Regulatory Affairs
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  • 4.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 05:34
    I'm sorry, Richard, but this was not the conclusion of the previous discussion. The roles of importer and distributor are mutually exclusive., and this is confirmed by the definitions of the terms in the MDR/IVDR and Blue Guide.

    An importer is able to 'place devices on the EU market' by supplying them to either a distributor or an end user. However, an importer supplying devices to an end user does not become a 'distributor', as defined by the MDR/IVDR.

    So to answer Anon's initial question, his appointed importer does not become a 'distributor', as defined, by supplying devices directly to customers, so the importer has to meet the requirements of IVDR Article 13, but not Article 14.

    The agreement Anon's company has with the importer should, however, cover both onward supply routes, one to distributors and the other to end users.


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    Roger Gray
    VP Quality and Regulatory
    Donawa Lifescience Ltd
    UK Responsible Person services
    Christchurch, UK
    +44 1425 489208
    rgray@donawa.com
    www.donawa.com
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  • 5.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 06:07
    Hi Roger,

    I know ... and I did not comment on the other thread.  The wording in the EU MDR/IVDR for definitions of Importer and Distributor do not take into account what actually happens in the real world.  And sadly the authors of the EU MDR/IVDR are in their own little bubble writing the regulation not understanding what happens in the real world.

    Let me give you a scenario:

    Legal Manufacturer 'Heydelhorn' is located in Chicago, Illinois, United States.
    The company Heydelhorn is using a company called 'Moyar' located in Brussels, Belgium.

    Moyar is a receiving company, bonded agent, warehouse facility, and distributor of goods including medical devices.
    Heydelhorn has contracted with Moyar for importing goods into Europe and ships the physical medical devices to them; there is also a financial transaction for the goods.  Moyar receives the products in their warehouse from a third party shipping company who has nothing to do with the product but ship and transport.  Moyar is therefore 'placing the product on the market.'  The product is shipped to Moyar and kept in their own warehouse.

    Moyar then gets customer orders from their own customers for Heydelhorn products in countries Germany, Italy, or Spain.  Moyar then ships these products from their warehouse which is 'putting these products into service.'  In fact, Moyar could also be importing and distributing products for company Domhalarn (from Mexico) and Koykili (from Japan).  Moyar takes customer orders for all these products, takes customer complaint calls, and manages inventory to the direct end users.  These customers are Moyar's customers and not Heydelhorn, Domhalarn, or Koykili.

    This does happen in the real world.  The definitions break-down as companies do act as importers and distributors.

    So how is the company Moyar not an importer and a distributor?  I know the definition says: 'distributor means any natural or legal person in the supply chain, other than the manufacturer or the importer ...'  But I have time after time seen where this is not the case.  In fact, it is more common in large corporate companies where they have a subsidiary or sister company in Europe doing exactly this - doing both importing product and distributing product as they "own" the product once received.  So legal manufacturers have to go find some other third party company acting as their Importer?  I am sorry to say companies will not do this and already this does not happen.  And what company would have two entities "inside" their company with two different processes being an importer and a distributor?  No company would do this.

    I can agree what the definitions in the EU MDR/IVDR and Blue Guide say, but I can also disagree saying that is not what happens in reality.  There are companies completing the roles as both importer and distributor of medical devices.

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    Richard Vincins RAC
    Vice President Global Regulatory Affairs
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  • 6.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 07:04
    Richard, I think the problem is in your paragraph that reads:

    "Moyar then gets customer orders from their own customers for Heydelhorn products in countries Germany, Italy, or Spain. Moyar then ships these products from their warehouse which is 'putting these products into service.' In fact, Moyar could also be importing and distributing products for company Domhalarn (from Mexico) and Koykili (from Japan)."

    You say "Moyar then ships these products from their warehouse which is 'putting these products into service." This is not my understanding, and does not agree with the Blue Guide. An importer who supplies to an end user is still, at that stage, 'placing on the market', not 'putting into service'.

    The same is true for Moyar importing from Mexico and Japan - when they supply these devices direct to end users, they are not acting as a 'distributor' as defined in the MDR/IVDR, they are acting as an importer who is supplying devices to another entity. It doesn't matter if that entity is a distributor or an end user, the importer is still, at that stage 'placing on the market' the devices concerned, because this will be 'the first making available', per MDR definition #28.

    So under the circumstances you describe for Moyar, they should have procedures for meeting the requirements of MDR/IVDR Article 13​, but also procedures for being a downstream supplier of devices, with all the attendant customer service implications, but meeting MDR/IVDR Article 14 is not one of those responsibilities.

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    Roger Gray
    VP Quality and Regulatory
    Donawa Lifescience Ltd
    UK Responsible Person services
    Christchurch, UK
    +44 1425 489208
    rgray@donawa.com
    www.donawa.com
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  • 7.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 09:17
    Eudamed explicitly allows one company to be both importer and rep.

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    Edward Panek
    VP, QA/RA
    Med Device
    USN Veteran
    Research into Neural Nets - https://www.twitch.tv/edosani
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  • 8.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 09:22
    Yes, Ed, but not importer and distributor, because distributors don't need to register with Eudamed.

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    Roger Gray
    VP Quality and Regulatory
    Donawa Lifescience Ltd
    UK Responsible Person services
    Christchurch, UK
    +44 1425 489208
    rgray@donawa.com
    www.donawa.com
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  • 9.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 11:46
    Edited by Ed Panek 26-Oct-2021 11:50
    Exactly, so where is the authority to not permit this agreement? If I sign the same company in EU to be my importer and distributor and our NB approves our device to be marketed in EU under MDR, and I start selling tomorrow, what happens?

    Our NB has written us stating this arrangement is acceptable.

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    Edward Panek
    VP, QA/RA
    Med Device
    USN Veteran
    Research into Neural Nets - https://www.twitch.tv/edosani
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  • 10.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 13:04
    Right. There's no reason an importer can't distribute the products they're importing. That's presumably the reason they're importing them.

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    Anne LeBlanc
    United States
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  • 11.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 15:40
    Edited by Kevin Randall 26-Oct-2021 15:55
    Roger gets it (as usual).

    The MDR and IVDR, whose definitions for importer and distributor are basic copies of Europe's longstanding regulatory definitions, don't permit the same person to be both the MDR/IVDR importer and the distributor for the same making available (i.e., for the same device unit or shipment).

    Yet in this conversation and the prior one about Europe's distinctions and intentions for importers vs. distributors, we continue to see a relentlessly-entrenched position that repeatedly refuses to address these terms, or to correctly address these terms, in Europe's longstanding, well-defined terminology (i.e., in terms of "making available on the market").  Instead is a relentless insistence to only discuss "importer" and "distributor" in commonplace dictionary terms.  And in those terms, as has been repeatedly stated before, yes, the same person can both import and distribute medical devices.  But that doesn't mean such person has triggered both of Europe's corresponding regulatory definitions for a particular making available.

    So far in this discussion or the preceding discussion when an opinion from an NB, or some consulting firm, or some other opinion was lodged, no one has yet produced objective defensible evidence showing that the question was asked and answered in Europe's terms of making available on the market.  Instead, we continue to only get answers based on generalized dictionary definitions.  That approach woefully fails to address Europe's regulatory definitions and requirements for importers vs. distributors.

    I'm going to step out here:  Mark my word:  I promise you, that the Commission will not agree that the same person can be both the MDR/IVDR importer and distributor for the same making available (i.e., for the same device unit/shipment).  That fact is the heart of these European definitions, and these European definitions are deliberately not equivalent to the common dictionary definitions.  This is a longstanding European precedent, and that remains true regardless of the constant, mostly American, groupthink demanding that we use these terms in our own way rather than in Europe's way.

    Europe's underlying precedent also doesn't agree with the erroneous assertion that if a person meets the Article 13 importer requirements, then that somehow acts as a surrogate for the Article 14 distributor obligations, or vice versa.  Just because the Article 13 and 14 obligations are very similar, don't be fooled into thinking that one can be a surrogate for the other for a given making available on the market (i.e., for a particular device unit/shipment).  If you do, then you're forgetting and/or dismissing the reminder that was included in the other discussion:  Specifically, Europe's MDR/IVDR obligations for importers and distributors are intended to, where applicable, assure a proper chronological series of checks-and-balances on an individual product unit's/shipment's conformity during that product unit's/shipment's journey from manufacturer to end user.  This is a longstanding staple of Europe's common framework for the marketing or products.

    Finally, Roger has again accurately conveyed a proper understanding of "placing on the market", "making available on the market", "putting into service", etc.  For example, a device unit/shipment is absolutely, unequivocally, indubitably NOT put into service when it is delivered into a distributor's warehouse.

    Europe's terminology is specific and deliberate.  That longstanding terminology was forged because Europe in fact DOES understand the realities of medical device logistics.  Europe aims for proper checks-and-balances at all steps of the logistics process.  If we allow ourselves to conclude that the Europeans failed to fully consider the realities of the logistics process, then we're showing that we haven't fully considered the principles that are so clearly explained in European gold standards like the Blue Guide and Europe's common framework for the marketing of products.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
    © Copyright 2021 by ComplianceAcuity, Inc. All rights reserved.
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  • 12.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 15:54
    In the case of products imported from countries outside the EU, an authorised representative may carry out a number of
    tasks on behalf of the manufacturer (71). If however, the authorised representative of a third country manufacturer
    supplies a product to a distributor or a consumer within the EU, he then no longer acts as a mere authorised representative but becomes the importer and is subject to the obligations of importer

    COMMISSION NOTICE - The 'Blue Guide' on the implementation of EU products rules 2016TABLE OF CONTENTS (europa.eu)

    For example, if a product from USA is sent to an importer in Germany and then shipped to a customer in Germany for use, that importer is in effect also the distributor and must comply with distributor requirements. The importer isnt restricted from shipping that product directly to the end user. There is no requirement to create unneeded complexity and involve ANOTHER party. That would be risk increasing; not reducing, if we added another company to the trail.

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    Edward Panek
    VP, QA/RA
    Med Device
    USN Veteran
    Research into Neural Nets - https://www.twitch.tv/edosani
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  • 13.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 26-Oct-2021 17:39
    If a natural or legal Union person receives from a third country a device unit/shipment and then distributes it to another Union person or end user for distribution, consumption or use, then that is EU MDR/IVDR importation, not EU MDR/IVDR distribution.  Again, the importer doesn't become an EU MDR/IVDR distributor of a given making available just because the importer logistically distributes the device unit/shipment.  Such logistical distribution is specifically intrinsic within, and encompassed by, the importer category/definition.  Europe's terminology (as distinguished from common dictionary terms) along with Europe's common framework for the marketing of products makes this clear.  Again, we need to let go of our use of common dictionary terms with respect to EU MDR/IVDR importation vs. distribution. 

    I'm glad the topic of unneeded complexity was raised, as I was intending on addressing that further in light of the recent assertions in this discussion declaring that such duplicative obligations should apply.  I strongly advise against imposing both the Article 13 Importer obligations and the Article 14 distributor obligations (or erroneously substituting one for the other) on the same importer person for a given making available (i.e., for a given device unit/shipment). Unnecessarily imposing (or erroneously substituting) distributor conformity obligations on an importer (or vice versa) certainly represents unneeded complexity and moreover perpetuates the intransigent confusion regarding EU MDR/IVDR importers vs. distributors.  Not only does that waste precious regulatory resources and create legal peril for the Parties to the contracts, it could also lead to regulatory noncompliance.  For example, it would be a nonconformity if an EU MDR/IVDR importer attempts to apply a representative sampling method in its device conformity verifications (remember that a sampling approach is strictly limited for use by distributors, not importers).  As another example, the requirement to keep a register of complaints, of non-conforming devices and of recalls and withdrawals is one that appears in Article 14 (distributors) but not Article 13 (importers).  If your contracts are misappropriating importer obligations onto distributors or vice versa, then you've voluntarily created frivolous and baseless legal obligation on the Parties.  These are just some of the perils of trying to equate EU MDR/IVDR importers with distributors.

    I've objectively shown that the EU MDR/IVDR definitions for importer and distributor don't permit the same person to play both roles for the same making available.  I'm happy to give consideration to alternative objective European standards or authorities that state otherwise.  But thus far, whenever anyone in this thread has declared that an importer and distributor can be the same person for the same making available, no objective European-centric basis for such a position was provided.  Until someone can provide such an objective organic explanation, then for now, I'll continue to categorize such assertions as, well, basically rumor.

    Bottom line:  If your contracts allow a Party to, in general, function as either an EU MDR/IVDR importer or a distributor, great.  But if your contracts permit a Party to play both roles for the same making available, then such a contract is legally perilous for all Parties and out of step with the EU MDR/IVDR (thus creating waste and regulatory risk).

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
    © Copyright 2021 by ComplianceAcuity, Inc. All rights reserved.
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  • 14.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 05:19
    Thanks for taking the time to provide such comprehensive, definitive and 100% correct answers, Kevin - you clearly have much more patience than I do!

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    Roger Gray
    VP Quality and Regulatory
    Donawa Lifescience Ltd
    UK Responsible Person services
    Christchurch, UK
    +44 1425 489208
    rgray@donawa.com
    www.donawa.com
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  • 15.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 17:12
    Glad to be a part of the discussion Roger; I always find your contributions of the highest quality.  Thanks for kudos about patience; I've feared that maybe in this discussion my eyeballs and knees were starting to jitter as we've all worked to sort out this difficult topic.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
    © Copyright 2021 by ComplianceAcuity, Inc. All rights reserved.
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  • 16.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 06:51

    I believe this topic was well-covered in the other thread (to which I replied more than once), although I did want to point out an error in Kevin's response above: importers are required to "keep a register of complaints, of non-conforming devices and of recalls and withdrawals" (see Art. 13 para. 6), which is the same for distributors (Art. 14 para. 5), albeit alongside different context (for instance, the obligation to forward complaints or reports, which appears in a separate paragraph (8) in Art. 13).

    Although I concur that the legal concepts of importer and distributor are indeed distinct, if an entity is already serving as an importer and fulfilling obligations in Art. 13, they are already fulfilling the responsibilities of a distributor in practice, thus making the question moot (even if one did have to hypothetically meet both importer obligations in Art. 13 and distributor obligations in Art. 14 - which I agree is not a legal possibility). [Note that I don't see any question about the inverse scenario, i.e. distributors having to fulfill importer obligations, which would necessarily be more problematic given the more rigorous requirements for importers.]



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    Jonathan Amaya-Hodges
    Sr. Principal Consultant
    jamaya-hodges@suttonscreek.com
    Suttons Creek, Inc.
    United States
    https://suttonscreek.com/
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  • 17.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 07:29
    But Jonathan, EU distributors (in the dictionary sense) that import devices are not considered 'Distributors' (as defined) by the MDR/IVDR, because they are 'Importers' (as defined). Thus they have to comply with Article 13, not Article 14, and definitely not both.

    As Kevin has repeatedly said, you have to distinguish between the dictionary meaning of 'distributor' and the MDR/IVDR definition of 'Distributor'. Of course Importers also distribute devices, but this does not place them within the MDR/IVDR definition of 'Distributor' and certainly does not impose Article 14 responsibilities on them.

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    Roger Gray
    VP Quality and Regulatory
    Donawa Lifescience Ltd
    UK Responsible Person services
    Christchurch, UK
    +44 1425 489208
    rgray@donawa.com
    www.donawa.com
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  • 18.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 08:35
    Edited by Ed Panek 27-Oct-2021 08:36
    Does this page (And graphic) Explain this scenario correctly?

    Importers: What Do the MDR and IVDR Actually Demand? (johner-institute.com)

    "Fig. 1: Importers acquire medical devices from manufacturers outside the EU and sell these devices to the users either directly or indirectly through distributors. In the case of direct sales, the distributor becomes an importer."

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    Edward Panek
    VP, QA/RA
    Med Device
    USN Veteran
    Research into Neural Nets - https://www.twitch.tv/edosani
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  • 19.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 09:26
    Yes, Figure 1 summarises the issue correctly, although the text needs interpretation of 'direct sales'. Perhaps better to say "In the case of direct sales from the manufacturer to the distributor, the distributor becomes the importer."

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    Roger Gray
    VP Quality and Regulatory
    Donawa Lifescience Ltd
    UK Responsible Person services
    Christchurch, UK
    +44 1425 489208
    rgray@donawa.com
    www.donawa.com
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  • 20.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 09:41
    Thanks Roger. I appreciate the patience as I am required to explain this to my CEO so I was a bit pedantic.

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    Edward Panek
    VP, QA/RA
    Med Device
    USN Veteran
    Research into Neural Nets - https://www.twitch.tv/edosani
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  • 21.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 15:40
    Edited by Kevin Randall 27-Oct-2021 15:42
    Johner Institute said, "...distributors who purchase medical devices outside the EU become importers."  But an ex-EU distributor may instead utilize an additional operator (e.g., there are third-party businesses like MedEnvoy I've used for my clients) to function as the importer.  So I'd clarify the Johner Institute generalization accordingly.

    I also personally am not quite comfortable with the language, "...the distributor becomes the importer...".  That language tends (in my opinion) to exacerbate the confusion we've all been working so hard to sort out.  Instead, I'd simply say that, by operational default, an economic operator is either an Importer or a Distributor for a particular making available, period.

    Johner Institute also by reference states that importers are a special type of distributor.  Again, that is true based on common dictionary terms, but doesn't clearly address the topic in terms of the EU MDR's corresponding regulatory definitions.


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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
    © Copyright 2021 by ComplianceAcuity, Inc. All rights reserved.
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  • 22.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 14:50
    Edited by Kevin Randall 27-Oct-2021 15:44
    Thanks Jonathan for that correction.

    Regarding Article 13 and 14 as surrogates for one another, again as mentioned before, the intentions for importers and distributors have redundant and chronologically-distinct supply chain purposes.  So while Article 13 and 14 are very similar, they aren't aimed at the same conformity assessment.  Their fundamental purpose is in fact to (where applicable) assure redundant conformity assessments along the way of a device unit's/shipment's supply chain journey to the end user.  Confusing or equating one for the other undermines and eviscerates the fundamental intent for these distinct sets of requirements, which are aimed at redundant conformity checks at different segments of a device unit's/shipment's supply chain journey.  Specifically, the Commission's associated goal is [emphasis added]:

    • "...ALL ECONOMIC OPERATORS intervening in the supply and distribution chain should take appropriate measures to ensure that they make available on the market only products which are in conformity...[The Commission] provides, a clear and proportionate distribution of obligations which correspond to the role of each operator in the supply and distribution process..."; and
    • "...to distinguish clearly between the manufacturer and operators further down the distribution chain. It is also necessary to distinguish clearly between the importer and the distributor..."

    If we ignore these chronological supply chain distinctions, goals, and designed redundant safeguards, then we will likely sooner or later create a legal, compliance, and maybe even a safety, dilemma for ourselves and our customers.  For example, ignoring these goals leaves open the possibility that someone will wrongly declare that, since a conformity assessment was already done by the importer, then that means subsequent distributors (common dictionary) don't have to do their respective conformity assessment; or conversely, that, since a second- or third-tier distributor is going to do a conformity assessment, then the importer doesn't need to do its conformity assessment.  After all, they're the same thing, right?  Well, wrong, for the reasons explained above.

    Don't fall for the perils of equating the importers' and distributors' distinct and designed redundant responsibilities in the supply chain journey.  Don't fall for ignoring the Commission's premeditated objectives for these safety redundancies.  Resist the temptation to declare that the we think the Commission is made up of buffoons.  And again, I strongly recommend that where applicable we keep those distinct and redundant supply-chain conformity checks delineated and accommodated in our contracts and procedures in alignment with the Commission's objectives.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
    © Copyright 2021 by ComplianceAcuity, Inc. All rights reserved.
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  • 23.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 27-Oct-2021 10:46
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Thank you all for your insights. I can see this topic can offer different views and interpretations, so I'm glad I asked the questions in the first place!

    I have been studying the blue guide, specifically paragraphs 2.2 and 2.3 and have been trying to apply it to our current situation which is the manufacturer is based outside of the EU. The importer that will be utilised is part of the same company (subsidiary) but based in the Union. This importer shall be purchasing and storing IVDs imported from us and selling direct to customers as well as onto 3rd party distributors in the Union.

    so, clearly defined is the terminology:

    Placing on the market: A product is placed on the market when it is made available for the first time on the Union market. This is done by Manufacturers (EU based) or Importers (for non-EU manufacturers). So, in our case, the importer will be placing on the market on our behalf

    Making available on the market: A product is made available on the market when supplied for distribution, consumption or use on the Union market in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or free of charge.

    There are additional points recorded under these headings that I think need some clarity. Below are the points I refer to:

    When a manufacturer or an importer supplies a product to a distributor (50) or an end-user for the first time, the operation is always labelled in legal terms as 'placing on the market'. Any subsequent operation, for instance, from a distributor to distributor or from a distributor to an end-user is defined as making available.

    So based on this definition, only a 3rd party distributor can actually make the product available on the market. In other words, only once the product is shipped from the Importer to a third-party distributor. The importer can only place on the market and not actually make available (distribute)?

    If that's so, then I think the question that it raises is at exactly which point the product is considered placed on the market. I take the point in section 2.3 from the blue guide:

    Placing on the market is considered not to take place where a product is:

    • in the stocks of the manufacturer (or the authorised representative established in the Union) or the importer, where the product is not yet made available, that is, when it is not being supplied for distribution, consumption or use, unless otherwise provided for in the applicable Union harmonisation legislation.

    So, in our case, the product is manufactured outside of the EU, QC released and shipped as the final product to the importer for continued supply. So, I would term that as in the stocks of the importer, but it is able to be supplied for distribution or consumption. Thus, when it is received by the importer and stocked, it is considered placed on the market. Is that agreed? The reason this is particularly important is due to article 110 (as it is currently written, without the IVDR proposal details):

    The strategy for us was to stock up our importer with self-certified IVDs so they can continue to be supplied past May2022 whilst IVDR certification was sought. When this was being planned, the consensus was that this was acceptable as the product was considered as in the EU supply chain. For our European Manufacturers however, they had to transfer ownership to a 3rd party distributor to achieve the same goal.

    So, to break it down further, these are the points I am trying to clarify:

    • Can we utilise the strategy of stocking up our Importer with our self-certified IVDs prior to May22 with the intent to supply to end users and or distributors? Does this meet the requirement of placed on the market prior to May22? Or will the Importer need to use a 3rd party distributor to meet this requirement?
    • Our EU Importer – we as the manufacturer only need to control them as an importer as even though they shall ship product to customers or distributors, they in themselves cannot be termed as a distributor for the products they import? The importer will need to have agreements with 3rd party distributors, and we should audit that etc
    • In the instance when the importer ships directly to a customer, there will be no distributor involved, in other words the Article 14 is not applicable?

    Thanks all




  • 24.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 11:28
    To answer your specific questions, Anon:

    Can we utilise the strategy of stocking up our Importer with our self-certified IVDs prior to May22 with the intent to supply to end users and or distributors? Does this meet the requirement of placed on the market prior to May22?
    Answer: Yes, you can do that. As long as the devices in question have been released for free circulation by the customs authorities, they are considered 'placed on the market' according to a previous 'informative document' from the Commission  (see para 17).

    Or will the Importer need to use a 3rd party distributor to meet this requirement?
    Answer: Not if the devices have been 'placed on the market' by the importer, per the answer above.

    Our EU Importer – we as the manufacturer only need to control them as an importer as even though they shall ship product to customers or distributors, they in themselves cannot be termed as a distributor for the products they import? The importer will need to have agreements with 3rd party distributors, and we should audit that etc.
    Answer: Yes, correct.

    In the instance when the importer ships directly to a customer, there will be no distributor involved, in other words the Article 14 is not applicable?
    Answer: Correct.

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    Roger Gray
    VP Quality and Regulatory
    Donawa Lifescience Ltd
    UK Responsible Person services
    Christchurch, UK
    +44 1425 489208
    rgray@donawa.com
    www.donawa.com
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  • 25.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 27-Oct-2021 15:07
    Anon:  Regarding your great question, "So based on this definition, only a 3rdparty distributor can actually make the product available on the market. In other words, only once the product is shipped from the Importer to a third-party distributor. The importer can only place on the market and not actually make available (distribute)?".

    Answer:  No.  Remember that, by definition, placing on the market is a device unit's/shipment's inaugural making available.  So, when a manufacturer or importer places a device (i.e., a device unit/shipment) on the market, then it has simply by definition made the device available for the first time.  Subsequent distribution (if any) in the device unit's/shipment's journey to end user are just subsequent makings available.

    And remember what I explained before:  Logistical distribution is intrinsically built into the definition of "importer".  So importers by definition distribute (common dictionary definition), yet they don't by that action trigger the regulatory definition of "distributor".  This is because "distributor" is reserved to, where applicable, assure the redundant subsequent conformity checks that I explained in my response below to Jonathan's post.

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    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
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  • 26.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

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    Posted 26-Oct-2021 10:28
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    Thanks Enrico,

    That makes perfect sense to me. It would certainly be a duplication of efforts in order to complete these activities twice at the same site.

    Thanks


  • 27.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 29-Oct-2021 08:42
    I queried the EC via email to ask this question. Their response is below which CONFIRMS what Roger and Kevin are saying

    Dear Mr Panek,

     

    To answer to your question, it is necessary to refer to the applicable definitions and requirements of the Medical Devices Regulation (EU) 2017/745 (MDR) concerning importers and distributors (Article 2(33) and (34), Articles 13 and 14). According to them, it is clear that the respective roles, actions and obligations are different. The importer as such places devices on the EU/EEA market, it is to say, the importer make devices available on the EU/EEA market for the first time, while the distributor as such makes available devices on the market for the second and successive times until reaching the end user. Therefore, a person as economic operator may not be at the same time "importer" and "distributor", considering in particular the explicit indication of the MDR in the definition of distributor as "any natural or legal person in the supply chain, other than the manufacturer or the importer, that makes a device available on the market, up until the point of putting into service" (emphasis added). A person as economic operator will assume each specific role, and related obligations, according to the specific action it carries out in the supply chain of the device. If the person receives a device from a manufacturer located outside the EU and places it on the EU/EEA market (it is to say, it makes the device available on the EU/EEA market for the first time), then that person acts as the importer of the device. On the contrary, if the person receives the device from a manufacturer located in the EU/EEA, or from an importer, or from another distributor, then that person acts as a distributor of the device. The importer may indeed directly supply the device to the end users, but it keeps the obligations of the importer, without "downgrading" its obligations to those of the distributor.

     

    For your information, the Subgroup on Market Surveillance of the Medical Device Coordination Group (MDCG) is currently working on a guidance document "Q&A on Importers & Distributors" (see the Ongoing guidance development and deliverables of MDCG Subgroups – October 2021). When such a document is finalised and published in the Commission's website guidance for medical devices (likely by the end of the year), it will provide useful guidance on several questions related to importers and distributors. However, for the time being, you may also refer to the horizontal guidance document "The 'Blue Guide' on the implementation of EU product rules", in particular sections 3.3 and 3.4.

     

    Best regards

     

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    <Name Redacted>
    Policy and Legal Officer Medical Devices


    European Commission
    Directorate-General for Health and Food Safety (DG SANTE)
    Unit B.6 - Medical Devices, Health Technology Assessment

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    Edward Panek
    VP, QA/RA
    Med Device
    USN Veteran
    Research into Neural Nets - https://www.twitch.tv/edosani
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  • 28.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 29-Oct-2021 15:08
    Wow Ed, many thanks for getting the Commission to respond!  I've not had much luck lately (though I haven't asked them that exact question; mine have been more focused on the other question - direct sales).  I'm definitely adding that Commission narrative to my resource library, and look forward to seeing the upcoming official guidance.  Thanks again for your help.

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    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
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  • 29.  RE: Importer and Distributor under the IVDR

    Posted 09-Dec-2021 22:08
    For anyone still interested in this topic, MDCG 2021-27 (Questions and Answers on Articles 13 & 14 of Regulation (EU) 2017/745 and Regulation (EU) 2017/746) was just published, including great topics such as 'Distinguishing importers and distributors' (there are a number of other important topics covered as well). If only we had waited 2 months this thread may have never happened...

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    Jonathan Amaya-Hodges
    Sr. Principal Consultant
    jamaya-hodges@suttonscreek.com
    Suttons Creek, Inc.
    United States
    https://suttonscreek.com/
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