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  • 1.  Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 16-Jan-2017 13:06
    We have a question about design controls for a Class I exempt instrument we are developing.  I've read in numerous posts on this discussion board that Class I exempt devices do NOT require design controls.  One of our consultants has pointed us to 21CFR820.30 where it states that Class I devices do not require design controls EXCEPT those that are "Devices automated with computer software".  Does this include devices where the software is firmware embedded into stand alone control boards integrated into the instrument?  Does the regulation specifically apply to devices that use a stand alone computer?  I was under the impression that the regulation applied only to the listed devices that do require design controls because the regulation states "and the devices listed in the following chart...Cather, Tracheobronchial Suction, Glove, Surgeon's, Restraint, Protective, System Applicator Radionuclide Manual and Source Radionuclide Teletherapy.  Can I ask for help understanding if a Class I instrument that has software to tell the robot how to process samples as a "Clinical Sample Concentrator" would require design controls?

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    Michael Murphy
    Vice President
    Akonni Biosystems, Inc.
    Frederick MD
    United States
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  • 2.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 08:53
    Hi Michael,

    I have heard the same thing from a consultant - that class I exempt devices with software are subject to design controls even though they are exempt from a premarket notification/approval. If you look at 820.30 closely, the design control regulation (for class I exempt devices) applies to both "devices automated with computer software" and "the devices listed in the following chart" that you mentioned in your post.

    That is my understanding. If anyone has additional input on this, I would be interested in hearing it.

    Thanks,
    Hiral

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    Hiral Dutia
    Advanced Instruments, LLC
    Norwood MA
    United States
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  • 3.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 10:11
    I would consider your device as requiring design controls due to the software control.  I have experienced this with other Class I, 510(k) exempt devices.  The 510(k) exemption is a separate issue from whether or not designs controls apply.

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    Debbie Koeneman
    Consultant
    Mesa AZ
    United States
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  • 4.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 10:14
    Thanks Hiral.  Hopefully more members will weigh in on this question.  It is surprising to me that "software" alone would trigger design controls for an otherwise exempt instrument.
    Michael

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    Michael Murphy
    Vice President
    Akonni Biosystems, Inc.
    Frederick MD
    United States
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  • 5.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 11:11

    Please see my previous post about the word “exempt” and the independence of attributes.

     

    While the FD&CA made three broad risk classes for devices, FDA has, through regulation, made risk more granular. Congress changed the law allowing FDA to regulate device design in response to patient injury and death from inadequate design controls. QSR applies a risk method to the need for design controls. A device risk requires design controls when the device meets any one of four conditions:

    It is a Class III device

    It is a Class II device

    It is a device that contains software

    It is a device on the list in 820.30(a)

     

    The concern, in the late 1990s, was that a device with software has a high potential of patient harm. As a result, those devices require software validation based on 820.30(g). I would suggest that today, after reading the guidance document on post-market cyber security, FDA’s level of concern increased.



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    Dan O'Leary
    Swanzey NH
    United States
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  • 6.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 16:44

    I concur that 820.30 says that design controls are required for any device with software that drives all or part of its functionality. I don’t see anything to suggest that this requirement might differ based on where the software “lives” (i.e., embedded vs. standalone). I’m not sure I follow you when you say that you thought this “…applied only to the listed devices that do require design controls because the regulation states "and the devices listed in the following chart...” But if you mean that you read it to say that design controls are required in a Class I device only if the device 1) is automated by software and 2) is one of the devices listed in the chart, then I think you simply misread it.

    As for understanding why “software alone would trigger design controls for an otherwise exempt instrument,” I hope someone more familiar with the application of design controls to software-driven medical devices can help you with that, because I can’t, and I would be interested to hear. However, I wonder if this might be clearer if we first considered the question of why a Class I device that is NOT automated with software would not need design controls. That’s another question I don’t have the answer to, but would be interested to hear.



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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 7.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 10:57

    I generally discourage the phrase “Class I exempt” without qualifying the exemption.

    • A Class I device could be exempt from pre-market notification or not.
    • It could also be exempt from design controls or not.
    • It could also be exempt from UDI requirements or not.
    • It could be exempt from QSR or not.

     

    Generally, these attributes are independent, so knowing the value of one doesn’t inform about the value of another.

     

    The easy way to see this uses a 2×2 matrix. On one axis put 510(k) Required Y/N. One the other put Design Controls Required Y/N. This give four boxes. It is possible to find at least one device, by Product Code, for each box.

     

    As one example, the Infant Heel Warmer, MPO, is a Class I device that requires a 510(k), based on its intended use. However, it doesn’t contain software and is not on the list in 820.30(a)(2)(ii), so it is exempt from design controls.



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    Dan O'Leary
    Swanzey NH
    United States
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  • 8.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 14:52
    Michael,

    The simple answer to your question is that "devices automated with software" require design controls and yes, any programmable component within your device is "software".  So if you use firmware to automate part of the function of the device you are using software and therefore must apply design controls as described in 21 CFR 820.30 (a) (2) (i).


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    Edwin Bills RAC, MA
    Principal Consultant
    ELB Consulting
    Overland Park KS
    United States
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  • 9.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 18-Jan-2017 09:46
    I guess I need to add some more information to clarify this position in the light of the many comments here, some correct and some incorrect.

    I teach the AAMI Quality Systems course alongside representatives from the CDRH Office of Compliance. This same question comes up in the class from time to time and the OC rep ALWAYS says, "yes design controls are required for ANY device containing software, in any form such as firmware. Any programmable component is considered software."

    Dan's discussion above is a good description of the "why" FDA has taken the position. FDA considers software to be a risky component based on experience, and though a device in Class 1 is considered low risk, the use of software changes it to a moderate risk Class 1 like the others in the table in 820.30, because of potential errors inherent in software, including any programmable component.


    Ed Bills




  • 10.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 18-Jan-2017 09:58
    Edwin, thanks, but I find Kevin's interpretation reasonably compelling and am inclined toward what is in writing over what is said.  Do the folks at AAMI address the potential conflict between a device being GMP-exempt but not exempt from design controls?  Or do they just answer the question yes or no, independent of  any consideration of the regulations?

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 11.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 17-Jan-2017 19:56

    If an FDA class I device is, by regulation, exempt from GMP, then it is exempt from all of the GMP (including design controls) except for general requirements concerning records (820.180) and complaint files (820.198), as long as the device is not labeled or otherwise represented as sterile.  A GMP exemption in a device’s corresponding classification regulation presides over the requirements in the FDA’s Quality System Regulation (hereinafter “QS Reg”) codified at 21 Part CFR 820.  The QS Reg requirements do not apply unless a device’s classification regulation first requires GMP.



    If one approached 820.30(a)(2) without first applying the aforesaid GMP-exemption filter, then the conclusion would indeed be that design controls are required for all class 1 software devices, even those exempt by regulation from GMP.  But this is not the intent of 820.30(a)(2), nor of the QS Reg in general.  If it were, then by the same rationale, 820.1(a)’s application of the QS Reg to “all" finished devices would likewise demand that we apply part 820 to ALL finished devices, even those exempt by regulation from GMP.  Once again, this is not the intent of the QS Regulation.



    Here is some objective background confirming these assertions:

     

    • In comment group 4 of the preamble to the QS Regulation proposed rule (58 FR 61957), the record shows that several comments opposed extending GMP requirements to devices that were presently exempt.  In response, FDA said that the proposed revised GMP requirements [i.e., the QS Reg] would apply, as did the original 1978 GMP, to manufacturers of finished devices distributed in the United States, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY EXEMPT BY REGULATION.  FDA clarified that firms exempt by regulation from the 1978 GMP would continue to be exempt from the revised GMP of the QS Regulation.  Remember that the most significant aspect of the revised GMP is the addition of design control requirements in 820.30.

     

    • To see FDA's practical implementation of this, consider FDA’s current inspection program for medical device establishments.  Therein, FDA inspectors are instructed that, if an inspection was originally planned for a class I “QS non-exempt”, class II, or class III firm, and the inspection finds that the firm no longer makes class I QS non-exempt, class II, or class III devices, then the investigator is to review the complaint handling system and MDR practices and terminate the inspection.  If FDA intended that all class 1 software devices be subject to design controls (or, based on the same rationale, that "all" finished devices be subject to the QS Reg) regardless of a device’s presiding regulatory exemption from GMP, then FDA would certainly not exclude design controls and terminate the inspection when discovering that a firm only makes class I QS (i.e., GMP) exempt devices.

     

    Hope this helps,

     



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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (U.S., Canada, Europe) Principal Consultant ComplianceAcuity, Inc. Golden CO United States Copyright 2017 by ComplianceAcuity, Inc. All rights reserved. www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 12.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 18-Jan-2017 10:12
    I think it probably helps, if in a somewhat painful way.  Now my head is spinning. 

    I think this is probably a textbook example of the confusion that can arise when the term "exempt" is used without clarification of from what, exactly.  I interpreted Michael's question quite differently, but I think your perspective may be closer to his intent.

    If I understand what you are saying, it is that GMP exemption includes exemption from design controls, and also overrides the requirement for design controls in 820.30.  I think this leaves us with "all devices automated with software that are NOT GMP-exempt are subject to design controls," right?  Regardless of whether the software is embedded, standalone, etc, right?

    I find your logic with regard to GMP-exemption overriding 820.30 to be compelling, but now I'm thinking that there is simply a lack of clarity on this point in the regulations, and that a lack clarity in the regulations can't be resolved by anything said or written outside the regulations, so that a different logic could also be compelling.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 13.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 18-Jan-2017 11:39

    My strong recommendation is that we be very sensitive about the context in which any compliance interpretation is made.  For example, in 820.1(a), FDA/CDRH makes a blanket statement that Part 820 governs ALL finished devices for human use.  But when taken in the proper context of what FDA said when promulgating Part 820, the actual requirement is that Part 820 applies to all finished devices for human use unless specifically exempted by regulation.

     

    The notion of applying Part 820 (i.e., the GMP) and the requirements therein doesn't arise until an originating device classification regulation calls for GMP.  Remember what happens during the process of promulgating any particular classification regulation:  If a classification panel recommends class I, then the panel also states whether the device should be exempted from section 520(f) (i.e., FDA’s specific legal authority for the good manufacturing practice requirements of the quality system regulation) of the FD&C Act.  And if the panel's recommendation persists into the final promulgated regulation, then it means that the FDA Commissioner officially concurred.

     

    An example of a class I GMP-exempt device that often nowadays includes software is a visual acuity chart.  For the visual acuity chart classification regulation (886.1150), FDA states, “This device is also exempted from the GMP regulation, except for general requirements concerning records (820.180) and complaint files (820.198), as long as the device is not labeled or otherwise represented as sterile.”

     

    My personal opinion is that when a group of attendees and faculty attend a training program aimed at detailing the requirements within the Quality System Regulation, it is generally a foregone conclusion that the scope and the discussions therein are in regards to devices for which GMP is a requirement.  And within that context, it is indeed true that class I devices automated with computer software always require design controls.

     

    If we assert that it's a requirement to apply GMP to devices that the Commissioner has statutorily and by regulation exempted from GMP, then I think we are opening a floodgate of unnecessary and unintended compliance burden. To clarify this topic, it would be interesting to see if FDA’s OC would be willing to go on the record in a large influential venue like ours and declare that class 1 devices exempted by the Commissioner from section 520(f) of the Act (i.e., GMP) must nonetheless comply with design controls.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (U.S., Canada, Europe)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 14.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 19-Jan-2017 21:59

    In my opinion this discussion thread has been touched upon previously:

    Class I devices for Design Controls

    initiated by Maham Ansari - 19-Oct-2016 13:26

    https://connect.raps.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?MessageKey=fcbb5efb-03ce-4fe1-929d-ee258622bb15&CommunityKey=5af348a7-851e-4594-b467-d4d0983b6d89&tab=digestviewer&ssopc=1&ct=544addbc05b19321bcfe2c55ed867c145da216cfaa6e86723d02fdd6e88880aee4c89261e4d5a0656ddee2087f4dd9d4369aa335de273a200d494bfcc36c5235#bmfcbb5efb-03ce-4fe1-929d-ee258622bb15

     

    That previous discussion thread concluded : “Design Controls apply to Class III, Class II, any device with software, and any device on the list in 820.30(2)(ii)”.

    The complete picture is obviously along the lines : “Design Controls apply to Class III, Class II, any device with software, and any device on the list in 820.30(2)(ii), provided that the device is NOT GMP-exempt.”

    Conclusion: Just because a device is “automated with computer software” - as in 820.30(2)(i) - does not mean GMP / Design Controls will always apply.



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    Homi Dalal RAC
    Regulatory Affairs Leader
    Dynamic Controls
    Christchurch
    New Zealand
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  • 15.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 20-Jan-2017 14:59
    This is probably getting too something, but at one time FDA/CDRH also made a blanket statement that the QSR was replacing the GMP regulation.  If FDA had bought into that fully, I think it would have done a global search and replace in the regulations, and no device would be exempt from GMP.  The fact that the term is still used raises the question of how fully FDA ever fully absorbed the QSR; I've always thought it didn't, really, and not just because of the failure to globally search and replace.

    So to me the question remains as to FDA's intent and expectations regarding design controls as they apply to Class I devices that are automated with software and also "GMP exempt," in spite of the very logical arguments.  If they are supposed to be QSR exempt, easy enough to say that.  It wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that some FDAers see it one way, and others, another.  So has it always been.  FDA is a large organization, and, as such, it is as prone to left- and right-hand disconnects as any other large organization.

    To return from the philosophical to the practical, Class I exempt from anything tells me FDA probably hasn't spent much time or energy in pondering interpretations, nor does it want to, so I would first determine what seems reasonable from both a technical and business perspective.  I would then hope to be able to write a compelling justification as to why this also aligned with some reasonable interpretation of the regulations, put it on file, and leave it to FDA to come tell me otherwise.  That's how FDA has set this up, after all.

    I think the best answer to the question of whether design controls should be in place would not include any reference to the regulations.at all.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 16.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 21-Jan-2017 09:43
    Julie, 
    My perspective is that the FDA's blanket statement was factually true.  The original regulation at 21CFR Part 820 was titled "Good Manufacturing Practice for Medical Devices".  The title was later revised to "Current Good Manufacturing Practice for Medical Devices".  The latest regulation at 21CFR Part 820 is titled "Quality System Regulation".  So yes, the QSR regulation did replace the GMP/CGMP regulation.

    But FDA never intended to stop using the term "CGMP" or the earlier term "GMP".  In fact, the very first sentence of the QSR (Applicability) states "Current good manufacturing practice (CGMP) requirements are set forth in this quality system regulation."  So in that sense one can consider the terms QSR and GMP/CGMP to be equivalent, although the old "CGMP Regulation" is different from the "QSR Regulation".

    I think Kevin's points from Jan. 18 are very well-stated.  Although I can't say it couldn't happen, I am not aware of FDA ever requiring a Class I GMP-exempt software-containing device to be subject to design control requirements.  That being said, your point about determining what seems reasonable from a technical and business perspective is a good one.  The FDA will not object if a company decides to develop a Class I GMP-exempt software-containing device under design controls.  FDA just doesn't require this.   

    As always, I enjoy these spirited Forum discussions!


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    Laura Halper PhD
    Consultant
    Halper Group
    Plano TX
    United States
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  • 17.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 12:59
    When all else fails, read the regulation. :)  It also says:

    • With respect to class I devices, design controls apply only to those devices listed in 820.30(a)(2).

    • In the event of a conflict between applicable regulations in part 1271 and in other parts of this chapter, the regulation specifically applicable to the device in question shall supersede the more general.

    I think others have alluded to these statements in their discussions here, but I didn't see them directly quoted anywhere.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 18.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 21-Jan-2017 11:45
    Julie,

    In response to your statement "So to me the question remains as to FDA's intent and expectations regarding design controls as they apply to Class I devices that are automated with software and also "GMP exempt," in spite of the very logical arguments......"

    In my view, logical arguments should be as follows.

    Simply put, what has been evolving over the years is the following. 

    Before June 1, 1997

    GMP (minus design control)

    After June 1, 1997 and June 1, 1998 (design control)

    QSR = GMP (integrated into QSR) + design control

    As for software, FDA states as follows.

    "Unless specifically exempted in a classification regulation, any medical device (MD) software product developed after June 1, 1997, regardless of its device class, is subject to applicable design control provisions."

    Accordingly, it should be interpreted that design control applies to all MD software products.  As for other provisions of QSRs applicable to class I with software, it applies, to the extent applicable, beyond records & complaint files (for class I and GMP exempt).

    For example, design control, risk management and CAPA are critical to the MMAs.  

    Thank you.

    s/ David
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  • 19.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 13:08
    It would also be interesting to know if this position has ever been supported by a finding in an EIR or as the subject of Warning Letter, as these are also influential public records.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 20.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 21-Jan-2017 15:18

    In reviewing FDA’s various comments made when promulgating the Quality System Regulation, it doesn’t appear that FDA intended for “GMP” and “Quality System Regulation” to mean different things or have different scopes.  For example, the ultimate statement from the Safe Medical Devices Act (SMDA) which gave rise to the QS Reg design control requirements states that the SMDA, “…Adds pre-production design validation to the stages in which the Secretary may require a device to conform to current good manufacturing practice.”  Also noted is that the FD&C Act places these design control requirements under the header “Good manufacturing practice requirements”.   And to expand on what Laura Halper said; 820.1 states that the Quality System Regulation sets forth GMP requirements, and then it includes design in its immediate listing of those requirements.  Also the preamble to the QS Regulation states that the SMDA gave FDA the authority to add design controls “…to the CGMP regulation…”  So I'm hesitant of the notion that FDA views design controls to be separate from GMP.

     

    That said, the feedback Edwin Bills gave from FDA’s OC personnel at the AAMI courses is compelling.  And David Lim provides a very strong argument by citing the quote from FDA’s software validation guidance.  But along with that guidance, FDA also said that “…It represents the Agency’s current thinking on this topic. It does not create or confer any rights for or on any person and does not operate to bind Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or the public. An alternative approach may be used if such approach satisfies the requirements of the applicable statutes and regulations…” 

     

    Nonetheless, I have to concede that I wouldn’t be surprised to see FDA assert design control requirements on class 1 software devices even if “GMP-exempt” by regulation.  But as this Forum’s readers probably know about me from this discussion and also prior discussions, although I’m committed to public health, I’m also fond of the spirit behind FDA’s least-burdensome policy that matured years after the software validation guidance.  So I personally wouldn’t shy away from such an alternative approach if warranted by the overall benefit.  I’ve been successful doing this with FDA on multiple occasions in the past, and folks like Mark DuVal also model it in ongoing fashion by regularly winning appeals against over-regulation.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (U.S., Canada, Europe)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 21.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 21-Jan-2017 20:59
    Too much opinions, interpretations, and expectations !
    The answer is ... the classification reg trumps the GMP reg. Therefore if the device is classified (software or not) as Class I GMP exempt ... it is GMP exempt ! ... and you never get into the GMPs ... end of story. If this is too direct an answer, from me a humble (but feisty with FDA)  consultant, check with your lawyer.
    Art

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    A Arthur Rankis
    President
    A. A. Rankis & Associates, Inc.
    Acton MA
    United States
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  • 22.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 08:12
    What a great discussion!  I'll weigh in and permit a bit of a civics lesson. I think Class I devices are exempt from design controls because that is what the statute and regulations say despite FDA "guidsnce"--please read on...   In accordance with the reading of the hierarchy we must of course follow the law and any regulations duly promulgated thereunder under the Administrative Procedures Act.  Finally is FDA guidance which does not have the force and effect of law because it is merely FDA's current thinking on any topic and is not meant to confer any rights or responsibilities on anyone and alternative approaches can be used.

    Guidance documents came about when industry asked FDA to flesh out its thinking on various topics because rulemaking became so lengthy and cumbersome.  We were tired of "podium policy" where one FDA official would express non-binding policy  and another Division or Branch or individual at FDA would take a different position. Industry wanted more certainty.  So in an attempt to be self-disciplined FDA created a Good Guidance Practices document.  We rightfully applauded it at the time.

    The problem is we got the ultimate regulatory weapon.  A guidance tells us the agency's thinking and that it is not "final agency action."  This is lawyer-speak that they cannot be sued because it does not represent their final thinking on any given topic (as if many want or could afford to sue FDA) and therefore it is not "ripe" for challenge.   Yet we all know that a guidance directs and chills industry behavior.  It is precisely the way FDA acts towards guidance documents--just try to not to do what is the guidance, right! 

    In the Washington Legal Foundation case involving three guidance documents regarding the provision of off-label information, the FDA tried to dismiss the case because it wasn't final agency action.  The court disagreed stating the Commssioner and agency operated as if the guidance was a regulation and the court reviewed the documents as final agency action and struck them down. 

    So in guidance documents we created a monster and now there are calls to retrench the use of guidance documents.  We all need and appreciate  FDA guidance.  The problem is there is not enough opportunity for meaningful industry input and the input we give is often ignored.  If you look at FDA'S most recent off-label communications guidance following their two day hearing last November it is ridiculous and not at all anchored in the 1st Amendment Free Speech guarantees.  It certainly does not incorporate industry input much less the Constitution. The starting place is FDA's desired jurisdiction and authority not what the law says.  So FDA will just keep losing in court.  

    Look at the Prevor combination products case and FDA's  pronouncements on "chemical action" versus "primary mode of action" which came from their guidance.  The court did not accept FDA's interpretation.  And FDA, EPA and Presidential Executive Orders continue to fall in court.  Because administrative agencies will always interpret the law to their favor and often substitute themselves for Congress by essentially legislating in their aggressive and expansive interpretation of the law.  It goes without saying an administrative body cannot legislate.  They are to faithfully execute the laws and regulations of this country.

    This is what we teach when we teach the Legal Foundations of Regulatory Law at the Masters Degree program at  St. Cloud State University.  

    I hope this is helpful and not over the top. We are passionate about ensuring FDA  sticks to the authority granted to it.  Read our 52 page Citizen Petition challenging their administration of the 510k program filed in 2013.  No one paid us to do it.  We want this industry to be treated fairly.  The Washington Legal Foundation filed their own petition supporting ours and held a national webinar on the topic.  One an 1/2 years later FDA gave us a 17 page response. We are now working with some powerful members of Congress to revisit those challenges in a post-Obama administration. There is renewed interest in keeping FDA honest in its interpretation of the law.   Stay tuned.  I love talking with you other regulatory geeks!

    Mark DuVal, J.D., FRAPS

    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone





  • 23.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 12:15
    Dear Mark,

    "I think Class I devices are exempt from design controls because that is what the statute and regulations say despite FDA "guidsnce"--please read on... "

    The applicable statute doesn't explicitly state so but rather states as follows. 

    Under FDCA Section 520(f)(1)(A), it states "The Secretary may prescribe...regulations....requiring that the methods used in, and the facilities and controls used for, the manufacture, pre-production design validation ....conform to current GMP...."

    Per FDCA Section 520(f)(1)(B)(iii), which states "such regulation conforms, to the extent practicable, with internationally recognized standards defining quality systems, or parts of the standards, for medical devices."

    The Secretary is also required to ensure that "...employees of the FDA do not deviate from such guidances without appropriate justification and supervisory concurrence..."  FDCA Section 701(h)(1)(A). 

    In view of software (embedded or as a standalone regardless of device classes), it was reasonable for the FDA to require design control to be implemented even to class I devices automated with software as reflected under 21 CFR 820.30(a)(2)(i). 

    As for enforcement purposes, the statute authorizes the FDA to perform biennial inspections for EVERY class II and class III manufacturers under FDCA Section 510(h)(2). For class I devices (even with software), FDA may not have enough man power to show up for an inspection unless it is caused by various factors (e.g., risk based). 

    [Food for Thought] FDA hasn't been able to inspect every class II or III manufacturer every other year. Should we challenge the FDA because they didn't show up to some class II manufacturers?  

    We've got to be reasonable in exercising our judgment. 

    Thank you.

    s/ David
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  • 24.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 12:04

    Arthur, I have to smile, as your first sentence brought to mind the old line about alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.  Personally, I can never get too much in the way of regulatory opinions, interpretations, and expectations.  But that's me.

    Certainly a direct answer is the most useful one when you are in a particular situation and just need to find a way forward.  In this case, however, Michael didn't ask for an answer, but for help in understanding.  Perhaps by now he's sorry he asked, but I think it's more likely he got the understanding he needed several comments back and has now gone back to have a little chat with his consultant, leaving the rest of us to pursue yet more understanding, just because we like to do that.  At least, I do.



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    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
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  • 25.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 12:20
    Julie,

    Speaking of regulatory compliance issues, please consider the following quote.

    "Everyone can be a swimming champion in a bathtub.  Tough times (critical decisions) can separate the man from the boys."

    This is from a former lawyer (also former hedge fund (multi-billions) manager). 

    There are always OK, good, better or best answers at any given time. 

    Where do you want to draw the line?

    David






  • 26.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 12:41
    David, well said.  And a good question.

    Margaret Thatcher drew the line for me when she responded to criticism that, in deciding to take action in the Falkland Islands, she hadn't given due consideration to arguments from the other side.  She said she fully appreciated the need to consider both sides of every question, and further, than there would always be new and better arguments to be found.  However, in the end, she didn't have the luxury of weighing both sides ad infinitum, because for her this was not an academic exercise. "I'm the Prime Minister.  At some point, I have to decide."

    So for me it's not so much where to draw a line, but when.  And that's when I have to decide, when I'm in a particular situation and need to decide how to move forward in that particular situation.  Then I make my decision, to apply to that situation only, after weighing all the information available to me at the time.

    Otherwise, no lines for me.  All questions remain open for further input and consideration.  I'm always open to reconsidering the Theory of Evolution, and I have no idea if OJ did it.  And I absolutely, positively, really do mean that.

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    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 27.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 13:20
    If one is in the middle of a formal argument with the FDA, I am sure the details of this discussion will be critical to that situation.
    However, we should also keep in mind our ultimate objectives:  good products for our customers and patients, as well as a quality system that makes sense for those using it.
    Design controls are important to ensuring good products whether nor not required by regulation.  (And a quality system that enforces design controls for some products but not others sends a confusing message to users of that quality system.)
    There are sound business reasons for applying design controls to all products, whether or not a regulation provides an exemption.  The design controls can be scaled according to product complexity.  This will ensure better products for customers, as well as a quality system that provides consistency and simplicity for the employees working within that quality system.

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    Quality System Strategies LLC
    Elkhart IN
    United States
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  • 28.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 22-Jan-2017 12:42

    Even with my fondness for opinions, interpretations, and expectations, it seems to me that we've probably beaten this question as close to dead as we can beat it, based on the information we have available to us. 

    I think the most useful additional input would be from Edwin, if he ever gets the opportunity to ask the OC folks about the potential conflict between their position that design controls required for ANY device containing software and the fact that 820.30 is subsumed under the QSR, from which some devices are exempt.

    My interest lies in the broader questions of whether FDA ever fully absorbed the QSR and also why any device, automated with software or not, would not be better served by the application of design controls, but those questions are well beyond the scope of this discussion.



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    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 29.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 08-Feb-2017 16:50

    I don’t want to resurrect a controversy, but rather clarify the understand I now have about design control for devices with software.

     

    The IF … THEN … ELSE construction is useful, but, in this situation, the ELSE clause seems to be more involved than necessary to determine when design controls apply.

     

    IF (QSR Applies)

    THEN

    IF (Class I device) AND (Automated with software)

    THEN (Design Controls apply)

     

    I would, in my webinars and seminars, show a fault tree on a slide to determine when design controls apply. The fault tree is a combination of AND, OR, and NOT gates.

     

    Looking at the fault tree for when Design Controls apply, the relevant segment is

    ((QSR Applies) AND ((Class I device) AND (Automated with software)))

     

    I’m working on a presentation on Cybersecurity, which includes design control issues. In addition, at least for some issues, cybersecurity seems to be at the intersection of pre-market submissions, Risk Management, and Software Validation. (A Venn diagram would be useful here.)

     

     

     



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  • 30.  RE: Are design controls required for Class I exempt instruments

    Posted 08-Feb-2017 17:23
    Dan,

    If one follows and understands the principles of design control and potential risks posed on software in view of FDCA Section 520 and QSR 21 CFR 820.30 including FDA's current thinking, there should be no controversy regarding design control for class I with software.

    This is a black and white issue.

    In other words, when there is no design control implemented for software, software will malfunction.  It is a matter of time. 

    Thank you.

    s/ David
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