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  • 1.  Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 04-Apr-2017 14:33
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Hello,

    We are a medical device manufacturer in the US and sell a lot of our attachments to the EU. We have passed our yearly audits from our Notified Body with 100% conformity and have not had any issues with our products. Today, without any notice, we received an email from our Notified Body that our CE certificate is being withdrawn as of today. I have reached out to our Notified Body, but no one can say why it is being withdrawn. Does this sound correct? We still have our EN ISO 13485:2012 and ISO 13485:2003 certificates that are under the same Notified Body as our CE and they are still valid. I am extremely worried and am at a loss for what to do since no one can provide me with any answers. Any advice is appreciates. Thank you very much for all of your time. 


  • 2.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 04-Apr-2017 15:22
    By "no one can say why it is being withdrawn," do you mean when you ask why they say "I don't know"?  That's a bit odd in my experience...

    It's been a bit since I last saw these letters, but from my recollection, the letter usually says the grounds upon which the notified body is withdrawing the certificates.  In my experience, withdrawing certificates comes at the end of a long period of trying to work with the manufacturer or clear and convincing evidence the certificates should be immediately withdrawn.  Either way, the outcome shouldn't really be a surprise.  

    I may be biased, but I don't think I'm out of bounds by telling you to talk to your attorney and share the letter you received from your notified body.  In the meantime, you may want to start talking to other notified bodies to restart the process.  But tread carefully - the new notified body is going to want to know why your certificates were withdrawn, so you may want to dig and find this out first.  


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    Sarah H. Stec, JD, RAC (EU)
    Associate
    Squire Patton Boggs (US) LLP
    Washington, DC
    USA
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  • 3.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 07-Apr-2017 09:15
    I would contact the Competent Authority of that NB country and the highest management person of that Notified Body, & if you do not get a response in 48 hrs ( and tell them that) I would get on a plane and fly to their closest office to deal with it, and bring all of your documentation to get it resolved and tell them you do not plan on leaving until the "issue" is resolved, clarified, or a remediation plan is put into place to resolve it.  You need to take control of the situation, do not assume they work in your business's best interest... and good luck....I would like to hear what the outcome was in your efforts....thanks! Susanne 

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    Susanne Smith MS
    Biomedical Regulatory Device Consultant
    STS Biomedical Consulting
    Englewood FL
    United States
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  • 4.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 04-Apr-2017 15:27
    If there are truly no unresolved Nonconformities associated with your European Technical Documentation/File, EU conformity assessment, and corresponding Declaration of Conformity, then the first things that come to my mind are:

    1. Your EC Certificate reached its expiry, but wasn't detected by your organization and/or (less likely) by your NB.
    2. There is an urgent marketplace safety issue involving your products.
    3. Your NB has lost its recognition as a European NB.
    4. Your NB is going out of business or is unable to continue supporting the demands of today's rapidly expanding and evolving EU regulatory landscape.
    5. You've received a fraudulent communication intended to trick you.

    I can probably give you additional insights if I can get a look at your EC Certificate and the communication you received.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 5.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 05-Apr-2017 04:24
    This is REALLY strange and I fully agree with Kevin's feedback. I work as a lead auditor for a NB on a freelance basis and I have never seen someting like that.

    When a NB loses its recognition, there is normally a certain period until the certificates become invalid. We had a case here in Switzerland where the companies where informed that a NB will cease its activities as NB with a 6 months notice period. 6 months is still very short given the fact that almost all NBs are heavily overloaded but at least it's 6 months...

    Please check the contract you have with the NB which should list reasons for withdrawal of certificates. Normally, e.g. in case a company is unable to timely close certain non-conformitites, the certificate is first suspended. This means that once the non-conformity is closed, the certificate is resumed (no additional audit required). Once it is withdrawn you basically start from scratch.

    Depending on the reason for the withdrawal, there is another escape route:

    The 55 joint assessments – i.e. international inspections of Notified Bodies (NBs) – performed so far have led to a reduction in the number of European NBs from approximately 80 to fewer than 60. In some instances, the scope of designation of the NBs has also been restricted. This has led to approx. 3,000 EC certificates currently not being monitored by an NB. Many manufacturers are having trouble finding a new NB at short notice in order to get their products certified. This is not an easy process as, currently it may take up to one year to complete. From a regulatory point of view, the validity of EC certificates during this transitional period has not been fully clarified. This raises the question of whether medical devices can continue to be placed on the market for the first time with affected EC certificates. For this reason, a harmonised European procedure has been established and ratified at the end of October in Bratislava.

    This foresees that: “...the authorities responsible for market surveillance may, under certain circumstances, grant affected manufacturers a certain period (called the “period of grace” (PoG) in Europe), during which the marketing of safe and effective medical devices affected by the withdrawal of the designation will be tolerated and the manufacturer will be given the opportunity to restore conformity with the regulatory requirements“

    In Switzerland (e.g.) the following applies: Within this period, Swissmedic will not take action against the continued placing on the market of medical devices bearing the identification number of the “old” NB provided that the following conditions are met in full: 

    • Product safety is ensured, i.e. the medical devices covered by the EC certificate represent no known or relevant risk.
    • The essential requirements continue to be met in full.
    • The manufacturer can demonstrate that the process of renewing the EC certificates of the affected products has been started with a new NB..
    • The manufacturer can produce at any time an overview of the affected products/EC certificates and their current status.
    For more information: https://www.swissmedic.ch/aktuell/00673/03691/index.html?lang=en

    Hope this helps!

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    Beat U. Steffen
    Founder & CEO
    confinis ag
    Duedingen
    Switzerland
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  • 6.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 05-Apr-2017 09:05
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Hello,

    Thank you very much for taking the time to respond to me. I have attached the email and a copy of our certificate (I have erased some content to remain confidential). When I contacted our account manager from our NB with the email, she stated she would send my reply to the medical device department, but from what she can see as our account manager, she has no idea what is going on. Thank you again for all of your time.


  • 7.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 05-Apr-2017 12:44

    Your NB should be willing to either:

    a) Confirm that the email is valid and in fact originated from the NB.  If this is the case, the NB should provide a signed hard-copy written notification of certificate withdrawal, and also give you a rationale.

    b) Confirm that the email is not valid and erroneously originated from the NB.  If this is the case, the NB should be willing to clarify that your existing certificate remains valid.

    c) Confirm that the email is not valid and did not originate from the NB.  If this is the case, the NB should be willing to clarify that your existing certificate remains valid.



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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (U.S., Canada, Europe)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 8.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 06-Apr-2017 09:06
    Edited by Sarah Stec 06-Apr-2017 13:10
    I agree with the commenter above.  I my experience, NBs wouldn't send (or wouldn't only send) official communications via email.  You should confirm with your NB if it is a true letter, and request a hard copy with the reasons why it was withdrawn on the face of the letter.  

    And elevate it to your account manager's manager.  "I'll forward your request *shrug*" isn't really a nice response when your market access is on the line.  

    *Edited to clarify that I speak only from my own NB experience, and not as divine word or how all NBs work* 

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    Sarah H. Stec, JD, RAC (EU)
    Associate
    Squire Patton Boggs (US) LLP
    Washington, DC
    USA
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  • 9.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 05-Apr-2017 03:07

    Your situation is not strange, this is happening to many manufacturers in US as well as in EU. We are involved in quite a few cases since we have ex-Notified Body people in our board who are well known in the Notified Body scene. We always try to solve this as moderator between Notified Body and manufacturer, since involving a lawyer is definitely something you need to do however it will not speed up the time for receiving new/renewed/updated certificates.

    The comment from Kevin is correct, the options listed are very well possible. It all depends on who your Notified Body is.  What you need now is somebody who can contact the Notified body, understands their point of view, and can discuss a short term solution for your company. Please contact me asap to discuss and set the actions.

     

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  • 10.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 06-Apr-2017 12:15
    So, in your experience, Sarah is overestimating NBs a good bit in thinking  that an NB would not send this type official communications only via email, and that it isn't strange for an NB to be unable or unwilling to provide its customers with any information on why one of their certifications has been withdrawn?

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Durham, North Carolina, USA
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    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 11.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 07-Apr-2017 08:16
    Hi,
    maybe they had a joint assessment and lost either the scope or completely notification?
    For telling you more I would need more information.

    Best
    Michael
     

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    Michael Maier
    Partner
    Medidee Services SA
    Epalinges
    Switzerland
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  • 12.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 05-Apr-2017 06:00
    Did you check the scope of the last recertification Audit? The ISO certificates are valid for 3 years, the EC-Certificate for 5 years. The Basis for the EC-certificate is that also the requirements from the MDD where part of the Audit (plan and Report) during the last recertification Audit. You could check this is given. Maybe this Information was just missed by the Notified Body, maybe the Certification Body (different Group) was not Aware that confirmation is shown that for MDD requirements are fulfilled. I at least would try to find this out by maybe contacting my key contact at the NB in parallel to contacting an attorney or other NB...

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    Andrea Schorr
    Senior Manager Auditing & Compliance
    Fresenius Medical Care Deutschland GmbH
    Bad Homburg
    Germany
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  • 13.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 07-Apr-2017 08:52
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Have you had technical file audits recently? If yes, what was the outcome of the audit?

    Was it a forced withdrawal or an enforced one? Have you checked the Europa website for the validity of the Notified Body? Regardless, you can communicate with the competent authority responsible for your Notified Body.




  • 14.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 07-Apr-2017 10:43
    In what country is the NB office location on the certificate? 

    It may be simply your NB changing the location from the UK to an office for the same NB in another country in the EU after Brexit.  If so, the office in the new location should be able to give you a letter stating that you are still certified, but that there is a delay in issuing a replacement certificate.

    Regards,

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    John Minier, RAC
    Consultant, Principal
    Minier Medical Device Consulting
    john@johnminier.com
    1(914)850-4432
    Highland Mills, NY
    United States
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  • 15.  RE: Notified Body CE Withdrawal

    Posted 26-Apr-2017 18:53
    I started reading this thread and feel unfulfilled because I don't know the resolution.  If the original poster is still out there, please oh please post an update.  I don't know why but I really want to know what happened with your Notified Body.

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    Kathaleen DeBarris
    Encision
    Boulder CO
    United States
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