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Hello Dan,
Sure! You are right! The legal manufacturer term is quite confusing and not defined in any regulations.
When I say "Legal manufacturer" that means we have NOT designed, developed, manufactured or hold DHF for that product. We have QAA with those suppliers and re-brand it under our name and sell it to our customers as part of our end to end system/configuration.
The product here is a micro-array imaging device/instrument used in DNA sequencing workflow. We do have a Tech File-Self Declare(complied from Supplier info) and DoC under IVDD showing us as the Legal manufacturer. So we have two sets of labels i.e. CE-IVD labels and RUO labels (with CE mark) to cater both EU and US markets along with ROW.
Are you selling your product in the US? Yes, RUO versionAre you selling your product in the EU? Yes,CE-IVD version
Hope this helps. Thanks
Original Message:
Sent: 17-Aug-2020 09:25
From: Dan O'Leary
Subject: RUO and CE mark
I don't understand the question, so please you clarify a few points.
Neither the IVDD, IVDR, or FDA use the term "legal manufacturer", only manufacturer. What is the distinction in this case?
You say "legal manufacturer of the product". What is the product?
For example, it could be a kit that includes the item from the OEM. The OEM could sell the item to many people, or it made only for your company.
For example, you could be a distributor for the OEM's item.
Are you selling your product in the US? If you so, the RUO statement will limit the customers.
Are you selling your product in the EU? If so, the product you sell needs the appropriate documentation. That depends on things like IVDD, IVDR, class, whether you are manufacturer or a distributor, etc.
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Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
Swanzey NH
United States
Original Message:
Sent: 14-Aug-2020 19:48
From: Anonymous Member
Subject: RUO and CE mark
This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
Hi Dan,
This was very helpful and clear. Thank you so much!
For the label, which is carrying RUO statement and the CE mark is from an OEM. We being the legal manufacturer of the product, do not have any CE declarations. Do you think we should have those under our name or copy of OEM's declaration that should suffice?
Thanks
Original Message:
Sent: 14-Aug-2020 11:17
From: Dan O'Leary
Subject: RUO and CE mark
Your question involves two regulatory systems (US and EU) which are not comparable. They have very different requirements. The conventions in one do not carry over to the other.
In the US system a product is either a "full" IVDs or investigational. There are three categories of investigational: RUO, IUO, and Part 812.
In the US, there are Laboratory Developed Tests, LDTs, which are manufactured by commercial labs, run in the same lab, and used to deliver patient results. The US FDA exercises enforcement discretion, and does not regulate the manufacture of LDTs.
A lab should not purchase an RUO, claim it is an LDT, and use it to deliver patient results. FDA has told some companies that their devices do not qualify as an LDT and cited them in Warning Letters.
In the EU, the situation is very different. Consider the IVDR.
A product is either a device that satisfies all the requirements (and has a CE Mrk) or a product subject to a performance study.
The EU doesn't allow LDTs by commercial labs. Health institutions have an exception for their own use.
Can a company have a CE-IVD mark and still sell RUO versions in the EU lab?
No. In the EU, there are no RUO products. A product has either the CE Mark or is subject to a performance study. They are (with rare exceptions) mutually exclusive.
Can RUO products have a CE mark (under EMC Directive) and carry both CE mark and For RUO only?
Yes. An RUO is in the US system and a CE Mark to the EMC directive is in the EU system. A product could be in both states at the same time.
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Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
Swanzey NH
United States
Original Message:
Sent: 13-Aug-2020 20:58
From: Anonymous Member
Subject: RUO and CE mark
This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
Hello Fellow RAPS members,
I am quite confused when it comes to LDT and RUO.
RUO products are intended for research use only, with no medical diagnostics/intended use. However, I see many companies selling RUO and IVD versions for patient results.
As I understand in the US, LDTs can sell/run the RUO reagents for patient testing/results. Is this true for other regions? Can a company have a CE-IVD mark and still sell RUO versions in the EU lab?
Also, Can RUO products have a CE mark (under EMC Directive) and carry both CE mark and For RUO only?
Thank you for helping out!