Interesting being away for a few days and reading through this entire thread. My take is a bit different. There seems to be a lot of "I only want to know what I need to know for my job" tied to what is requested of the RAC. This attitude seems to have become more prevalent these days, for some reason I don't understand. But anyway, that is fine if your only goal is supporting a job or series of jobs.
I view the RAC differently. As I understand the background, it was intended to be the Regulatory profession's equivalent of the Professional Engineering certification (yes I am an engineer, no I am not PE). The PE process expects you to have master the basics of all the "fundamental" engineering specialties, such as mechanical, electrical etc. Then there is an "advanced" section where you are supposed to demonstrate a deeper expertise in your area of specialty. There is also a "qualifying level" which can be obtained via a test. However, the full "Professional Engineer" can only be gained after several years of experience. IMO, the RAC should have something similar to this system. The PE certification is certainly regarded as a "high level" certification - and I am not at all convinced that little "specialized" RAC certifications would come even close.
If this type of system was in place, I would be more likely to view the certification as a very important resume item. If there were "specialized" ones, I would certainly not. The people I want to hire for my RA roles are those who value continuous learning, those who want to understand how other regions/specialties are regulated (or do risk management or do quality activities) and bring the "best practices" into our efforts, those who will be prepared for a future combo product, change in a regions regulations, those who can read any regulation and start to understand how we can comply with it in a way that fits the business. This also means understanding related areas like reimbursement, export controls etc etc.
The more limited the RAC certifcation, the less value it provides as a hiring executive trying to build a top performing organization. Today, the certifications are already limited enough by the geography focus that I have to get a lot of this from interviews and other research (because yes, people can and do become experts at this stuff without any certification at all, just like I have hired some great engineers without a PE). Further segmenting it will make it even less valuable as a credential, though maybe easier to have something to stick on a resume or LinkedIn profile.
As a side note, it is amazing how much I have used the info I learned on generic drug requirements in order to get my RAC. I have never worked in generics, but it has come up over and over both professionally (at one point being part of a device company owned by a drug company) and personally (nothing like being allergic to an excipient in a generic the pharmacist was trying to convince me was "identical").
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Ginger Glaser RAC
Vice-President, Quality and Regulatory Affairs
Maplewood MN
United States
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Original Message:
Sent: 16-Mar-2017 18:22
From: Clarisa Tate
Subject: RAC split into medical devices and pharmaceuticals
Having been in medical device industry for more than 15 years in various roles in engineering, manufacturing, QA, RA, product development, etc. I believe that Andre, Julie, and Heimo have very good points they are making.
1. RAPS do listen and the world IS changing. Why not RAC?
It is 2017, FDA has made lots of changes throughout the years. EU has changed it's MDR, ASEAN is implementing a lot of stuff, Brazil, etc. RAPS is a great professional organization and I believe that they do care about this discussion about RAC. Pete's presence here certainly makes you think they’re listening to our views. More and more experienced professionals and hiring managers do believe that the RAC has to adapt and change (for example, addition of 2 years’ experience before you can take it). So why not separation of areas of product expertise.
2. RAC (product specialization here) is complementary to the current scheme which is basically RAC (regional specialization)
I don't believe anyone is saying that the current RAC US or RAC EU disappears. It only makes sense that there would be a product categorization as well to specify RAC Food, RAC Pharma, RAC Biologics, RAC Cosmetics, RAC Medical Devices.
To say that people who completed RAC US and have a RAC after their name also knows international regs doesn't compute.
To say that RAC US holders are regulatory professionals but not people who focus on medical device only, doesn't add up.
Copying what I heard from someone, do we not agree that working with a professional who has a knowledge 1/2 km wide and 1 km deep is in most cases more useful than those who have knowledge 1 km wide and 1 m deep? For example, a RAC Medical Device says this person knows US regs on medical devices, EU MDR, CMDR, etc. Wouldn't you consider this person a Regulatory Professional? Hiring companies certainly will. Regulatory is a kind of combo science and law discipline which means it can specialize in various areas. So why not RAC.
3. Addition of specializations will not diminish RAC's credibility and increase RAPS' ability to help regulatory professionals all over the world
ASQ have multiple certificates in various fields within Quality. Lawyers have specialization, not just in type of law but in the region or state they practice at. Same with doctors: we have hospitalists, cardiovascular surgeons, pediatrician, etc. Engineering has mechanical, biomedical, electrical, etc.
Why not regulatory? This is already happening whether RAPS members and RAC holders want to acknowledge it or not. Many universities now offer Master of Science in a particular regulatory field, MS RA Food, MS RA drugs and devices, etc. You can actually say that the focus is actually product-specific and regulatory function-specific rather than region-specific like what RAC currently is.
Conclusion
I want us all to empower the profession. This means we need RAPS to help us adapt the RAC for various needs. I will say that again: RAC should be adopted to various NEEDS of the industries it touches. This will only empower the usefulness of RAPS and help everyone understands that the definition of a regulatory professional should match what the industry needs.
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Clarisa Tate
Medical Devices, RA/QA/Engineering
Bay Area, CA
USA
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Original Message:
Sent: 15-Mar-2017 04:30
From: André Hülsbusch
Subject: RAC split into medical devices and pharmaceuticals
Nice to observe the really active discussion on this Topic!
I totally agree on the fact mentioned couple of times within this thread that we have also combined products and if handling those, you'll Need to have " a full Picture" of applicable regulatory framework.
The fundamentials of each area are useful to get a good insight. But having the Areas seperated available allows everybody to chosse for their Needs, as it is already done for RAPS program.
I don't see Problems with this approach, as the Areas will still remain available but not summarized under one certification umbrella.
The knowledge a person does have under each of the areas we have in the RegAffairs filed, will be recognized passing any of the RAC.
Let's have a look to another area:
Notified Bodies do have employees, performing product testing, Audits, technical file reviews etc. All Need to Show evidence that they are qualified to perfom those activities. Before they are allowed to do so, the NB will check their experiences and education.
Taking into account that there are many technologies within the medical device sector, the technical experts running e.g. the product testing are not able/allowed to perform tests on all technologies available, as they do not have the experience and/or proven skills. The level of competencies is checked by the accreditation bodies to ensure that the experts do have the knowledge they need for related technologies.
Nevertheless, they for sure can develop themselves to cover more areas and not staying on a specific level of knowledge. That's the same with us - if we are already experienced and have the right level of knowledge, we can apply for the RAC in in this field and extend the RAC later, as needed and possible.
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André Hülsbusch
Regional QA/RA Specialist, Central Europe
Germany
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Original Message:
Sent: 14-Mar-2017 10:35
From: Andrea Chamblee
Subject: RAC split into medical devices and pharmaceuticals
I heartily agree with Edwin and Pete. The RAC indicates a body of knowledge (and follow up activities) across the profession. If you don't know the history and regulation across product lines, you have no context for your own product regulation. For example,
- Every product type uses the concept of grandfathering, from new dietary agreements in food, substantial equivalence in devices and tobacco, and monographs in drugs.
- More products trigger user fees and that will only increase across product lines.
- Safety and efficacy evaluations and comparative studies aren't limited to your drug, since devices and dietary supplements may also provide competing, adjunct, or confounding factors; and they can compete with your product, legally and illegally.
- You need to know jurisdictional issues, which cross product lines.
- You need to know what other agencies are doing in the field for all product types: is FTC treating OTC or dietary supplement claims more stringently than FDA can treat your drug claim? How about HHS OIG's corporate integrity agreements?
- Pilots in one FDA center are often reintegrated into other centers; for example User Fees in CDER are now charged in CTP, and CDRH, and by all accounts, coming to CFSAN. "Humanitarian" devices are now "orphans" in CDER.
The RAC is not just a certification that you are an expert at the filing expectations, or that you can submit an FAR in record time. These are important skills worthy of recognition. But if you aren't familiar with all these things, you may certainly be a drug professional, or a device professional, but you are not a Regulatory Professional. The RAC certification is supposed to be difficult, rare, and meaningful.
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Andrea Chamblee Esq., RAC, FRAPS
This information and views expressed are provided in my capacity as an FDA and compliance professor at Johns Hopkins and George Washington universities, and do not necessarily represent the official views of the agency or the United States. Consult the Agency for an official position.
Silver Spring MD
United States
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-Mar-2017 03:34
From: André Hülsbusch
Subject: RAC split into medical devices and pharmaceuticals
Hi everyone,
I had couple of conversations with my colleagues, which are partly already RAPS members, and also with people from my regulatory networks e.g. Notified Bodies, SPECTARIS, DKE, consultants to name a few.
We all discussed about RAC application.
BUT as the RAC model is still covering both – medical devices and pharmaceuticals, a lot of my contacts will/cannot apply. Why?
All, as well as myself, are wondering why the RAC is not subdivided into RAC Pharmaceuticals and RAC Medical Devices. The RAPS training program is already subdivided into this senseful manner – having the choice of going for the RAC program specialized into the pharma sector, the medical device sector or choosing both as ‚Dual‘.
We really strongly recommend to also implement this subdivision within the RAC, as both areas are very complex and a lot of people do not have the educational background to cover pharma AND medical devices.
Nevertheless, people would definetely like to show and share their professional knowledge by holding an independant proofed certification!
Due to this fact, even you got your RAC to current approach, you’ll not be able to get a specialist e.g. within pharma sector when you have your initial education and further experience within medical devices.
I communicated with RAPS about this Topic/Status/demand and they will take it into internal discussions but I personally do not expect RAPS to Change the current Approach.
Maybe we can emphazise as a community the need having a sperated RAC to get more RegAffairs professionals satisfied applying for a RAC!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Kind Regards, André
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André Hülsbusch
Regional QA/RA Specialist, Central Europe
Germany
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