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  • 1.  QC Panel non-conformance

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    Posted 13-Jul-2023 09:05
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Hi every one, 

    Our QC panel has failed to meet final release criteria. QC team has conducted a top level FMEA but they could not identify the root cause. what is the point of opening NC if we are unable to to determine the root cause? do we need to escalate this to CAPA? IF YES, how CAPA can help to identify then prevent this ? 

    Thanks. 



  • 2.  RE: QC Panel non-conformance

    Posted 13-Jul-2023 15:09

    Hi Anon,

    It is likely that you won't get many responses to this question as it appears you may be mixing up the use of some of the tools to complete this investigation of the nonconformance. If you failed to meet criteria for release (some specification is not met) this results in the nonconformance. The requirements are to determine the cause of the nonconformance (not 'root' cause). There are other tools you should consider using other than a risk analysis (FMEA is a reliability tool, not an investigation tool). Consider the use of 5-whys or Is/Is not tool. There is no point in escalation to CAPA as this will not resolve the nonconformance. 

    Good luck!



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    Mark Swanson, ASQ CBA, CMQ/OE, CQE ASQ, MBA
    Becker MN
    United States
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  • 3.  RE: QC Panel non-conformance

    Posted 13-Jul-2023 15:48

    Mark,

    While 5-whys or Is/Is not are good tools, I disagree that FMEA is not an investigation tool. I also disagree that FMEA is a risk analysis tool.

    When a process produces non-conforming material then one or more of the process steps must have not worked correctly. A process FMEA will identify the process steps, the failure modes at each step, and controls to prevent the non-conformance. A well-constructed FMEA, using the knowledge that a failure occurred, could, as part of the investigation, determine where the controls did not operate as expected.

    In the industry, there is confusion between risk analysis and failure analysis. Risk analysis, through ISO 14971:2019, deals with harms to patients or users after the device ships. FMEA, since it is so versatile, can deal with reliability after the device ships, reliability of processes, etc. One problem in the industry is the belief that patient or user harm only occurs with device failure. This is not the case and explains the common misuse of FMEA for ISO 14971:2019. ISO 14971:2019 asks for hazards in either normal or fault conditions.



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    Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
    Swanzey NH
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  • 4.  RE: QC Panel non-conformance

    Posted 13-Jul-2023 15:28

    This is a two step process. The first step is control and disposition of nonconforming product under 820.90. The second step is corrective action under 820.100.

    Under 820.90 you need to identify, document, evaluate, segregate, and disposition the nonconforming product.

    Documentation means that you will write an NC. Evaluate includes deciding whether you need an investigation. Disposition means deciding what to do wither nonconforming material. Disposition could include correction, use-as-is, or scrap. The role of the NC is to document your decisions for each of these three areas.

    If the evaluation decision is to investigate, that leads to a corrective action under 820.100. (Note: there is no such thing as a CAPA.) The investigation will, hopefully lead to the cause (Note: there is no such thing as a root cause) and action to prevent recurrence.

    The problem is that your question convolves two steps – controlling the non-conformance and taking corrective action.

    Many companies have defined paradigms for corrective action to help determine the cause. They don't always work.

    The good news is that you don't think you can determine the cause, then in the evaluation step, determine that corrective action (investigation) is not necessary. However, I would open a corrective action, conduct the investigation, and document that the methods did not determine the cause. This puts you on better grounds for an external audit or an FDA Investigation.



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    Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
    Swanzey NH
    United States
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  • 5.  RE: QC Panel non-conformance

    Posted 14-Jul-2023 05:03

    Hello Anon,

    When you say QC Panel, I assuming you are meaning an IVD medical device.  First, issuing a non-conformity is almost guaranteed or needed because the product is not passing the final release criteria.  The Nonconformity Report - an NC or NCR - would be needed because the product has to be dispositioned, i.e. rejected and scrapped, rejected and reworked, accepted to use as is for market, etc.  Considering the circumstances, this would probably be rejected and scrapped with sample retains kept to continue an investigation, evaluate the product, and help try to determine the failure cause.  In my experience with IVD products this can be quite challenging because dealing with chemicals and antibodies/antigens sometimes things just do not work.

    You also do not want to confuse a nonconformity with a corrective action.  Based on the type of nonconformity, a decision to initiate a corrective action may be needed.  Not all nonconformities may result in a corrective action.  However, in your circumstance because the initial investigation did not result in anything and root cause not found, you may want to initiate a corrective action to do further evaluation to help identify the issue.  Again, with IVDs there might not be an attributable cause so a corrective action might not be warranted, and the nonconformity just scraps the lot.  There is probably quite a bit more which can and should be done in your situation, though this would need further detail into what failed, specifications, and your own internal quality system processes.



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    Richard Vincins ASQ-CQA, MTOPRA, RAC
    Vice President Global Regulatory Affairs
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  • 6.  RE: QC Panel non-conformance

    Posted 14-Jul-2023 13:16
    Edited by Kevin Randall 14-Jul-2023 13:19

    If an IVD device QC panel (or any other medical device component or finished device) fails to meet final release criteria, then, as applicable, ISO 13485:2016 (as amended; hereinafter "ISO 13485") and also the U.S. FDA's Quality System Regulation both deem that such a failure represents "nonconforming product" which shall be processed in accordance with ISO 13485 clause 8.3 ("Control of nonconforming product") and in the case of the FDA, pursuant to 21 CFR section 820.90 ("Nonconforming Product").  As others have already said, that generally means that the nonconforming product must be identified, documented, controlled/segregated/dispositioned to prevent unintended use, evaluated, and, where necessary commensurate with risk, investigated.

    At this stage, "CAPA" hasn't yet happened.  As an aside, the GHTF rightfully reminds us that "CAPA" isn't the best term to use since each "CAPA" will either be CA or PA, but not both.  Nonetheless, the governing authorities (e.g., U.S. FDA, European Notified Bodies, ISO registrars, etc.) nonetheless relentlessly, pervasively, and formally continue to use the acronym "CAPA".  So be sure you are ready to cooperate with them regarding their preferred terminology rather than fighting.

    Remember that CAPA is different than nonconformity.  Ultimately, for example, the U.S. FDA has said that, "...every nonconforming issue...is not a CAPA...".

    Now, if your nonconforming product evaluation determines the need for "investigation" (i.e., root cause investigation) and CAPA, then it is at this point that the separate CAPA mechanism is to be initiated (see ISO 13485 clause 8.5.2 or 8.5.3 as applicable, and/or FDA's 21 CFR section 820.100).  This evaluation of the need for investigation and CAPA needs to, at the very least, be a risk-based evaluation.

    Regarding the risk-based evaluation:

    • Don't let yourself be discouraged from the proper use of FMEA during risk analysis if that's what your current process leans on. For example, ISO/TR 24971:2020 Annex B "Techniques that support risk analysis" reminds us that FMEA is indeed a technique (among others) that can be leveraged to support the risk analysis. There are a variety of risk analysis techniques that can be employed to characterize the risk of the nonconforming product.  While ISO 14971 risk analysis indeed ultimately requires assessment of risk under fault conditions in addition to when there is no fault condition, FMEA absolutely remains an analytical technique that can be employed to support a risk analysis when there is a fault condition (such as nonconforming product).  Now, FMEA, if employed, does indeed need to be extrapolated where appropriate to derive the ultimate harm (i.e., damage/injury), if any, to patients and users if FMEA is used as part of ISO 14971 risk analysis. FMEA can be quite useful for elucidating/linking the ISO 14971 sequence(s) of events that can lead to harm. Yet FMEA is still also useful, where relevant, and thus should not be banned, for gaining process-centric or product-centric risks that might also trigger the need for CAPA.

    Regarding the root cause investigation:

    • My resource library is full of longstanding, sound, and expert basis clearly maintaining the need for identification of the "root" cause(s) during CAPA investigations. A few paramount examples repeatedly establishing the "root" cause concept are ISO 9000:2015 (QMS vocabulary and fundamentals), Juran's Quality Handbook, ISO TC 210's ISO 13485:2016 Practical Guide, FDA's past and current CAPA trainings for industry, and others. Indeed, I'd say that no CAPA fundamental is more crucial to effective CAPA than finding and eliminating the "root" cause(s).  Dan and Mark, can you elaborate further on your withdrawal from the notion of "root" cause(s)?  If this is just a semantical issue, then I'd advise not abandoning the "root" cause vernacular.  It unequivocally remains true that the intent of the longstanding "root" cause concept still needs to be carefully addressed to assure proper CAPA.  When ISO 13485 demands that we, "eliminate the cause of nonconformities", "the" cause means the root cause(s).  That emphasizes the longstanding principle that, if only superficial / symptomatic cause(s) are addressed rather than the "root" cause(s), then the CAPA will fail.  It is the "root" cause(s) that ISO 13485 and FDA intend to be eliminated when implementing CAPA.



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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (U.S., Europe, Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
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