I happened to the chart that Edwin mentioned.
Original Message:
Sent: 12-Jun-2022 13:53
From: Dan O'Leary
Subject: RISK IDENTIFICATION OF HAZARDS AND HAZARDOUS SITUATION
Ed,
Thank you for the clarification. I said that each hazardous situation could lead to one set of harms. I didn't mean only one harm.
Your example of the hospital bed is great! "If a siderail breaks on a hospital bed a patient may fall from the bed and experience no injury, a contusion, a broken bone, or in an extreme case, death." These collectively are my set of harms. There is a hazardous situation where the patient falls out of bed. In the sequence of events, there is a broken siderail.
I could imagine another sequence of events in which the attending person fails to raise the siderail (a use error). The same hazardous situation occurs in which the patient falls out of bed.
My point is that when there are multiple sequences of events leading to the same hazardous situation, that hazardous situation leads to the same set of harms. I've seen cases where companies "start all over" with the hazardous situation and create the same harms with different severities and frequency of occurrence. This usually results in questions from an auditor or reviewer.
Dan
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Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
Swanzey NH
United States
Original Message:
Sent: 12-Jun-2022 13:07
From: Edwin Bills
Subject: RISK IDENTIFICATION OF HAZARDS AND HAZARDOUS SITUATION
I agree with most of what Dan has said. There is one thing that is shown in ISO TR 24971:2020 Clause 5 in a diagram showing the pathway from Hazard to Hazardous Situation to Harm.
I don't have my copy handy as I am on vacation, but the essence of the diagram is counter to Dan's statement that a Hazardous Situation results in one Harm. That is not true, it is possible that a Hazardous Situation can result in multiple Harms. Each of these must be looked at separately.
An illustration of this may be a simple case that I personally experienced as a complaint investigator. If a siderail breaks on a hospital bed a patient may fall from the bed and experience no injury, a contusion, a broken bone, or in an extreme case, death. Each of these has a different probability of occurrence and needs to be explored and documented in the Risk Management File.
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Edwin Bills MEd, CQA, RAC, BSc, CQE, ASQ
Principal Consultant
Overland Park KS
United States
elb@edwinbillsconsultant.comPrincipal Consultant
Original Message:
Sent: 11-Jun-2022 15:59
From: Dan O'Leary
Subject: RISK IDENTIFICATION OF HAZARDS AND HAZARDOUS SITUATION
ISO 14971:2019 is a process standard applicable to all devices.
The process starts with identification of hazards followed by the sequence of events, followed by the resulting hazardous situation followed by the harm.
Notice that a hazard can be in either a normal or fault condition. The sequence of events is a number of things that can go wrong, usually in order.
As a result, an FMEA is not the appropriate tool. It deals with failures only, not normal conditions. Also, it deals with single point failures not a sequence of events. An FMEA misses a significant portion of the things to identify and analyze in medical device risk management. In addition, it doesn't meet the requirements of the standard.
The example hazards in the table are illustrative of types of hazards. There is no requirement to use any of them or to apply each one to the specific device. They are examples of how one might list hazards.
Each hazard could have one or more sequences of events. This is what leads to the hazardous situation. In some cases, different sequences of events can lead to the same hazardous situation. For example, for a medical electrical device there are usually more than one way that the user could receive an electrical shock. List each sequence of events and its associated hazardous situations. However, each hazardous situation will have only one set of harms, so when you analyze one of the duplicate hazardous situations, you have done all of them.
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Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
Swanzey NH
United States
Original Message:
Sent: 11-Jun-2022 14:57
From: Amita Pandey
Subject: RISK IDENTIFICATION OF HAZARDS AND HAZARDOUS SITUATION
Hello all,
Can anyone give the answer for identification of hazards and hazardous situation .
1. Is it require to mention the above in the risk assessment?if it is there in risk analysis table like FMEa
2. There is different clause for identification of hazards and there is information table is also given in the ISO 14971 2019, like radiation hazards, mechanical hazards, biological hazards, chemical hazards etc.
So against each category do we need to include the hazards associated with the device.
3 after this for each hazards do we need to mention all the hazardous situation against each hazards
Waiting for valuable input from the members.