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  • 1.  GTIN and stock code

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 29-Apr-2021 18:00
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    I am an OEM manufacturer our customers are requesting that we use our GTIN number and their stock code.  We use our stock code internally which is different than theirs.  We have no traceabilty of their stock code in our systems.   All transactions are done under our code. If we were to register the GTIN, should we be registering the product under our stock code and with all of our information? This information needs to be on the label. It would not reference the customer stock code that they request be on the label…. In order to have customer stock code reference number on the label with a GTIN that's linked to it, we would need the reference number in our system or should the customer register or would have to register it as previously?

     

    Does  GS1 registration comes down to the manufacturer and the MFG part number?


  • 2.  RE: GTIN and stock code

    Posted 30-Apr-2021 09:31

    In the GS1 model, the GTIN is the Global Trade Identification Number. The concept is, since the GTIN is a unique number both parties, buyer and seller, could use it as the stock code (part number).

    Your customer could, for example, put the GTIN on their PO to you. You would fulfill the order based on the GTIN. Both parties could eliminate separate internal stock codes.

    If the products are medical devices in the US, then you should have implemented the US UDI system. If you used GS1 as the issuing agency, the GTIN is on your label.

    You can use a GTIN for anything, it does not have to be a medical device. For example, there could be a GTIN for a case of romaine lettuce.

    When you register the GTIN it is for your product. In the GS1 model, any customer could place an order for the GTIN. It is not restricted to a given customer.

    If your customer wants their stock code on the label, that is a separate issue from the GTIN.



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    Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
    Swanzey NH
    United States
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  • 3.  RE: GTIN and stock code

    Posted 01-May-2021 06:25
    Hello Anon,

    Dan has provided helpful information and just want to provide a couple extra thoughts.  As he pointed out GTIN - Global Trade Identification Number - is a term used by GS1, other Issuing Agencies/Entities may use different terminology and indeed the GTIN can be used for any products out there in the market.  The GTIN is composed of the company prefix + product identification.  Therefore the product identification can be a part number, model number, SKU, catalogue number, etc.  The product identification component should clearly differentiate between different versions, models, or even packaging configurations.

    Maybe the confusion arising in your situation (not quite clear based on limited information) is your customer is using a different product identification.  Therefore when they get your GTIN number - the bar code is your company prefix and your product identification.  It seems they want the bar code to be your company prefix and their product identification.  (You could either get this GTIN number which they would need to provide all their reference numbers or your customer could get this GTIN number and provide to you but the GTIN would be their company prefix.)  In this circumstance, this might be more about meeting your customer requirements from a bar coding perspective.  Also I would make clear in your situation whether your GTIN (bar code) is being used only for stock identification/traceability and/or UDI.  Because UDI is a different regulatory compliance perspective which can be different from just "bar code" stock identification.

    Because we will have a "UDI" symbol soon under ISO 15223-1 (hopefully it gets published soon) you could potentially have two bar codes on your packaging.  You can have a bar code for your customer's identification which is just a bar code and then you can have the UDI AIDC bar code which would be designated by the UDI symbol.  Just keep in mind this definitely needs to address risk, because from a customer or user perspective, having two bar codes on a packaging could introduce confusion and raise risks with identification.

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    Richard Vincins RAC
    Vice President Global Regulatory Affairs
    Oriel STAT A MATRIX - ENTERPRISE
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  • 4.  RE: GTIN and stock code

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 03-May-2021 08:31
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Thank you Richar,

    I hope the information below provides a bit more clarity.

    Yes, this does include UDI

    We  Company 1 manufacture a device and commercially distributes the device under our own brand and part number.  We also manufacture the same version or model of the device under contract with Company 2.  As part of the contract, Company 1 places the label with Company 2 brand and part number on the device. Company 2 is requesting we use our GTIN number and their product information.   My question is this allowed under UDI?  How would you recommend handling? Are company 1 and Company 2 Company all labelers and required to submit information pertaining to their respective brands to GUDID.  Is each brand required to have there own UDI?




  • 5.  RE: GTIN and stock code

    Posted 03-May-2021 18:38
    Edited by Kevin Randall 03-May-2021 18:47
    My experience is that, as a general rule, the GTIN isn't really intended to identify the subject device's stock/catalog number.  Explanation:  When working with GS1 and deriving GTINs, GS1 will issue the Labeler a batch of numbers for use as the "item reference" portion of the GTIN.  The "item reference" portion of the GTIN is the part of the GTIN that uniquely identifies the subject device; yet it isn't generally intended to do so via the subject device's stock/catalog number.  While it may sometimes be possible to achieve this by mere coincidence, it remains the case (no pun intended) that the GTIN's "item reference" feature is not technically intended for this.  Remember that the size of the batches of item reference numbers issued by GS1 are based on the "prefix capacity" chosen during the GS1 application process.  The required prefix capacity is driven by how many UDIs will ultimately be needed to cover the portfolio of products and packaging levels.  Applicants can choose to purchase batch sizes of 10, 100, 1,000, 10,000, etc., item reference numbers.  These item reference numbers literally are 1 through 10, 1 through 100, 1 through 1000, etc.  For each product and packaging level, the Labeler chooses one of the item reference numbers from the batch and forever thereafter (generally speaking) links/associates it with that particular product and packaging level.  This link is done indirectly via internal documentation and via the GUDID database rather than directly in the item reference.  The only way for the item reference to actually show the stock code / catalogue number in a WYSIWYG way is if, for example, the Labeler's product stock code / catalogue number by coincidence happens to be totally numeric, and contains no other character types (e.g., letters, dashes, etc.), and contains a quantity of characters that would fit into the maximum number of characters bounded by the item reference batch size [i.e., batch size 10 = two characters, 100 = three, 1000 = four, etc.). And even if a Labeler elected to try to use the item reference in said unintended fashion, then the Labeler would need to be willing to pay thousands of dollars to get a larger batch (as it seems that stock codes / catalog numbers are often at least 4 characters in length and often longer) and to accept only being able to use a few numbers from the purchased batch.  Instead of such an unintended approach, it may be possible via an additional Application Identifier (AI) to integrate the actual stock code / catalogue number into the UDI and/or barcode; but that would appear in a segment of the UDI / barcode that comes after the GTIN (i.e., after the DI portion).

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (U.S., Europe, Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    Ridgway, CO
    United States
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