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  • 1.  PMCF and MDR

    Posted 08-Jun-2019 21:14
    Hi ,
     
    Soft transition ( MDD compliant devices) does not mandate a compliance to Article 61 (Clinical evaluation) , however  Article 86  which needs to be met with upon the DoA for MDD devices also , makes a mention of the PMCF requirement which forms a part of the Clinical evaluation . What is the expectation of a PMCF in such cases ?
     
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  • 2.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 09-Jun-2019 09:31

    Under the Article 120(3) transition the device must meet the MDD requirements. MDD Annex X requires clinical evaluation. MDD clinical evaluation could lead to MDD PMCF. See MEDDEV 2.7-1 Rev 4 and MEDDEV 2.12-2 Rev 2.

    Use the MDD PMCF to update the MDR Article 86 PSUR.



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    Dan O'Leary CQA, CQE
    Swanzey NH
    United States
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  • 3.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 11-Jun-2019 14:50
    And, just to complete the set, this is from Rev 3:

    (c) standard operating procedures to assure proper planning, conduct, evaluation, control
    and documentation of scoping, identification of clinical data (section 5), literature
    searching (section 6.1), collection of clinical experience (section 6.2), clinical
    investigation (section 6.3 and EN ISO 14155), appraisal of clinical data (section 7),
    analysis of clinical data (section 8), concluding, reporting (section 9) and update of
    clinical evaluation, including PMCF (MEDDEV 2.12/2);

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    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
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  • 4.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 11-Jun-2019 18:39
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    Despite the close proximity and togetherness of clinical evaluation and PMCF in Annex XIV as well as at various places in the MDR [like Articles 10.3,10.9, 61.11, 106.10(b) and Annex VII.4.5.5], remember that, per Annex XIV.B.8 and Article 61.11 [and per traditional practice such as MEDDEV 2.7/1 Rev. 4 Section 10.2(d) and 2.12/2 Rev. 2 Sections 1, 5 & 7], PMCF is related to the clinical evaluation only in so far as to give consideration to the PMCF data (if any) during the clinical evaluation, and then only for the purpose of deciding on the basic need (or lack thereof) for PMCF (or additional PMCF).

    In contrast, the actual detailed planning and execution of PMCF is considered to be part of PMS and is therefore done as part of the Chapter VII / Annex III PMS Plan [see Annex III.1.1(b) final indent as well as Annex XIV.B.5] and corresponding execution.

    So apart from a clinical evaluation's declaration of the basic need (or lack thereof) for PMCF, it shouldn't be considered part of the clinical evaluation.  See ComplianceAcuity's attached workflow diagram showing the EU Regulation 2017/745 interrelationships between PMS, PMCF and Clinical Evaluation.

    Hope this helps,



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    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden CO
    United States
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  • 5.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 28-Jun-2019 12:20
    Excellent, thought-provoking diagram, Kevin. Thank you for sharing it.

    I assume the PMS Plans, PMS Reports and Periodic Safety Update Reports (PSURs) are included in the PMS process shape.
    My interpretation is that the PSUR is a special type of PMS Report required for Class IIa, IIb and III devices only. Does that sound right?

    Seeing this diagram also stimulates thoughts about links to post-market Eudamed submissions, Notified Body review, Competent Authority review, etc.
    Thank you very much.

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    Salvatore Lazzara
    Medical Device Quality Consultant
    San Francisco Bay Area, California USA
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  • 6.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 28-Jun-2019 16:45
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    I have a different model for understanding the EU-MDR. In this model, the overarching element is the QMS (see Art. 10(9)). The QMS contains other systems such as the PMS system, the PMCF system, and the Clinical Evaluation System. These systems have basic elements distributed across the QMS and the devices. I consider these as separate systems regardless of the location of the plan or report inside another system.

    It is also important to understand when a plan or report is premarket and when it is post-market. The dividing line is application of the CE Mark. Note that in some cases the plan may be pre-market and the report post-market.

    At the QMS level there is an SOP, a plan template, and a report template.

    At the device level the activities are: plan, execute, initial report, updated report, and report transmission.

    For each device/system write the plan by completing the SOP's template. Execute the plan. Write the initial report based on the plan's execution. Update the report at the required frequency; the report update may require another execution of the plan. Transmit the reports to the recipient using the prescribed method.

    I model this using Russian Mатрешка dolls. In many cases there could be a plan inside a plan and a report inside a report. For any given system, the plan could be in one system and the report in another. For example, the PMS plan contains two plans: the PMCF Plan and the Trend Analysis and Reporting Plan (although this is not identified with the word "Plan".) In my approach I have PMCF system and a Trend Analysis and Reporting System.



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  • 7.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 01-Jul-2019 17:34

    Hi Sam! (can we still call you Sam or should we call you Salvatore?)

    Glad to help!  Many thanks for the positive feedback.  Indeed, proper interpretation of the EU MDR can be a real challenge.

    EU MDR PuzzleCartoon © Copyright 2019 by ComplianceAcuity, Inc. All rights reserved.

    The key intent of my EU MDR PMS relational diagram was to help bring acuity to the big picture so that we don't get disoriented while navigating the various twists and turns of EU MDR PMS, PMCF, and Clinical Evaluation.  Accordingly, the diagram also reveals the important functional bridges (i.e., risk management, vigilance, and corrective/preventive action) that link PMS and PMCF to the Clinical Evaluation process.  Yet the diagram isn't intended to explain all the inner detailed workings of PMS; indeed, a more focused workflow diagram is needed for that.

    Toward that end, you are correct:  The EU MDR PMS Plans (specifying items such as, but not limited to, the organization's planned proactive and reactive PMS, the organization's PMS data monitoring and analysis, and the planned PMS Reports and/or PSURs) and the execution of those Plans are anchored within the PMS process shape.  But remember that the PMS Plan, PMS Reports, and PSURs leverage, and closely relate to, other parts of the QMS (such as risk management, vigilance, and corrective/preventive action).  These interrelationships can cause confusion about the official borders of the PMS process vs. the borders of such peripherals.  In fact, such peripherals are directly mentioned in the PMS Plan boilerplate of EU MDR Annex III.1.1, perhaps raising questions about whether the peripherals are part of PMS or separate from PMS.  As modeled in my PMS relational diagram, they are separate, yet critically related.  And though separate, the peripherals need to be adapted as necessary in order to assure they properly serve the particular needs of EU MDR PMS in addition to the needs for which the peripherals are already deployed.  That approach avoids unnecessary duplication of such peripheral elements, thereby keeping the PMS and QMS processes as nimble, and the overall QMS as centralized, as possible.

    An important example of this are the segments of the PMS Plan pertaining to EU MDR Annex III.1.1(b) first to fifth indents (i.e., those specifying proactive and systematic data collection via appropriate methods and processes; those specifying indicators and threshold values for use in the continuous reassessment of the benefit-risk analysis and risk management; those specifying methods and tools to investigate and analyze complaints and market-related experience; and those specifying methods and protocols for managing certain events subject to trend reporting). This PMS data collection process should be woven into the organization's preexisting data collection infrastructure that is already (hopefully) established, for example pursuant to ISO 13485 clause 8.4 [and, for organizations operating in both the EU and the U.S., also pursuant to FDA 21 CFR 820.100(a)(1)].  In so doing, the EU MDR Annex III.1.1(a) PMS informational sources and elements to be analyzed simply become additional data sources/elements added to (or reiterated in) the organization's preexisting data analysis process rather than creating a new or secondary data analysis mechanism for EU MDR PMS. 

    The preexisting data analysis process with alert and action limits (i.e., with "suitable indicators and threshold values") established therein for the various data sources and elements (including but not limited to PMS data) should thus already contain a bridge to the corrective/preventive action mechanism (which should in turn already contain a corresponding link to the product recall / FSCA process).  Accordingly, such an arrangement intrinsically addresses the corresponding requirements in EU MDR Annex III.1.1(b) eighth and ninth indents, again showing how this strategy can integrate, streamline, and centralize the QMS rather than creating QMS redundancy and dispersion.

    With such a strategy and tactics, the initiating PMS Plan simply becomes a corresponding standardized explanation/outline, including cross-references where appropriate to the various tailored parts of the QMS being leveraged, plus any supplemental specifics needed to assure customized surveillance for the subject device(s) and to address the remaining general requirements of EU MDR Annex III.1.1. This kind of integrative and seamless approach also caters well to the general obligations imposed by EU MDR Article 10(9) third paragraph indent (i) requiring the PMS system to be integrated into the organization's overall QMS.

    In due course when it's time to prepare the EU MDR Article 85 PMS Report (for Class I devices) or Article 86 PSUR (for Class IIa, IIb, and III devices), then that exercise simply becomes one of compiling a summary(s) of the results and conclusions already periodically generated or initiated for the PMS data as part of the aforesaid routine ongoing data analysis process.  And Sam, I generally agree with your interpretation; specifically, that the PSUR for Class IIa, IIb and III devices is just a special type of PMS report.  But I would add that our use of the formal label "PMS Report" should strictly be in relation only to EU MDR Article 85 and Class I devices.

    Finally, regarding links to post-market Eudamed submissions, Notified Body review, Competent Authority review, etc., remember that EU MDR Articles 86(2) and 92(1)(d) assert that Eudamed submission of PSURs is only required for class III devices or implantable devices.  In contrast, EU MDR Article 86(3) merely states that the PSURs for non-implantable class IIa and IIb devices must simply be made available for Notified Body review during conformity assessment and, upon request, to the Competent Authorities.  This indicates that Eudamed submission will not be required for non-implantable class IIa and IIb device PSURs.  And for class I devices, remember also that the EU MDR Article 85 PMS Reports are likewise subject to Competent Authority review upon request.  This comes by way of EU MDR Article 10(8) and the required integration of those Reports into the Technical Documentation per EU MDR Annex III.1.2.  Moreover, regarding EU MDR conformity assessment of class I non-sterile, non-measuring, and reusable devices, don't forget that, pursuant to EU MDR Article 52(7) second and third sentences, Notified Body involvement is required.  Therefore, by default, this makes class I non-sterile, class I non-measuring, and class I reusable device PMS Reports subject to Notified Body review in a way analogous to that required by EU MDR Article 86(3) for Class IIa and IIb devices.

    Hope this helps.



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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (U.S., Canada, Europe)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden CO
    United States
    https://www.complianceacuity.com/services/global-premarket-submissions/european-ce-marking-technical-files-and-design-dossiers/
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  • 8.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 02-Jul-2019 18:56
    ​Hi Kevin,

    While I'm still trying to digest all the valuable feedback provided by you , needed advice on the method to be followed to go about collecting the PMCF data. Annex XIV Part B  Section 6 talks about having the appropriate methods for PMCF data collection, however I couldn't see this is  defined in the regulation.

    MEDDEV 2.12/2 rev2  section 6 briefly mentions the methods in the elements of the study. However is there any more guidance on this aspect?

    Regards,

    Rashmi



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  • 9.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 03-Jul-2019 10:42
    Edited by Julie Omohundro 03-Jul-2019 11:50
    Rashmi, unless someone can point you to some hard requirements, I would do as little as possible at this point.  As far as I can tell, no one ever figured out what was required for PMCF data under the MDD, and I don't even want to begin to guess how long it might take to settle on what is really needed under the MDR, given all the other things everyone will be trying to figure out at the same time.  Without looking at the MDD, the MDR, any MEDDEVs, etc, I would suggest:

    1) Have a protocol. 
        Not a clinical trial protocol, something simple for a simple study.  Could easily be 2-3 pages.
        Get it signed internally and by an MD.
    2) Have a data collection instrument.
        Again, not something used for a clinical trial.  Could collect as few as a dozen data points.
    3) Write a report.
        Could be just a few pages long. Get it signed internally and by an MD.

    Address patient protection, including IRB oversight and PHI, somehow.  As I've posted elsewhere, if you don't need IRB review, either write a memo to file explaining why or, better yet, get an IRB to to write a letter that says you don't need IRB oversight.  (Good reason to try to keep data collection efforts within a single jurisdiction.)

    No matter what you do now, there is a good chance everyone will decide you need to do something different later, so just take a decent first shot at it and then leave it to your NB to advise you further, whenever it might get around to it.  I think it's a good scenario for forgiveness over permission.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
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  • 10.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 12-Dec-2019 16:46

    Hi Rashmi,

    My apologies for losing track of your question.  When tackling PMCF under the EU MDR, I still recommend employing the principles embodied in MEDDEV 2.12/2 for the design and control or waiver [see EU MDR Annex III.1.1(b) final indent] of PMCF.  This is because the basic principles and intent for PMCF as embodied by MEDDEV 2.12/2 (see lines 177 - 189) are the same as those integrated into the EU MDR (see Annex XIV Part B sec. 5).  Therefore, whether for the MDD or the MDR, I recommend that PMCF studies can follow various methodologies such as, but not limited to:

     

    • extended follow-up of patients that were previously enrolled in premarket investigations;
    • a new clinical investigation (yet still for the CE-marked device and for the same intended use and indications within the scope of the conformity assessment supporting the CE marking);
    • a review of data derived from a device registry; or
    • a review of relevant retrospective data from patients previously exposed to the device.

     

    In the PMCF plan (if PMCF is not waived by the PMS Plan), be sure to suitably address in one way or another (i.e., commensurate with risk and complexity of the device) the following:

     

    • define how the data is analyzed and conclusion(s) drawn.
    • study population
    • inclusion/exclusion criteria
    • rational and justification of the chosen study design including use of controls/ control groups
    • the selection of sites and investigators
    • study objectives and related study endpoints and statistical considerations;
    • the number of subjects involved;
    • the duration of patient follow-up;
    • the data to be collected;
    • the analysis plan (to be performed by someone with appropriate expertise) including any interim reporting where appropriate to ensure continuous risk management based on clinical data
    • procedures/criteria for early study termination;
    • ethical considerations;
    • methods of quality control for study execution and data management to assure compliance with the clinical investigation or study plan.

     

    Finally, remember that PMCF is for confirmation of the projected clinical behavior and risk when the device is used for the already-approved CE-marked intended use.  Accordingly, with regard to the burdensome safeguards typically employed for pre-market clinical investigations of unapproved devices [e.g., IRBs (or other forms of ethics committees), informed consent, patient protection (beyond that already assured via the approved device design and labeling), etc.] I'd say there's no need to go overboard on those unless the PMCF study or logistics could somehow intrinsically disrupt the normal clinical use of the device.

    Hope this helps.

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    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden, CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 11.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 13-Dec-2019 20:48

    Thanks Kevin , appreciate your responding to my query ...

     

    Clarification - even if the PMCF is not required under the PMS plan ; once the MDR soft transition ends , are we not required to perform PMCF regardless , considering we would no longer be allowed to claim equivalency from other marketed predicates ?

     

    Thanks,

     

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  • 12.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 13-Dec-2019 21:45
    Edited by Kevin Randall 13-Dec-2019 21:47

    Great question Rashmi!  As you probably know, MEDDEV 2.12/2 (for the MDD, not the MDR) established a European historical framework and precedent for waiver of PMCF.  Indeed, I have successfully leveraged such waivers repeatedly with NBs under the MDD without objection.  Fast forwarding to the EU MDR era, you may remember my prior Forum explanations of how the EU MDR considers PMCF to be part of PMS.  With that background in mind, remember that the EU MDR's PMS plan requirements in Annex III.1.1(b) final indent require that the PMS plan contain a PMCF plan as referred to in Part B of Annex XIV, or a justification as to why a PMCF is not applicable.

    Accordingly, I would beware of PMS / PMCF systems, assertions, training, or other paradigms that universally demand PMCF for all cases. Such an approach is certain to unnecessarily escalate the cost, complexity, and burden of that aspect of a company's EU MDR transition.



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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden, CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 13.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 13-Dec-2019 23:06
    And to more directly answer your question about the soft transition:

    I'm unaware of anything in the EU MDR indicating that the Article 120 soft-transitional parameters have any bearing on Annex III.1.1(b)'s standing option for waiver of PMCF (except of course the 26 May 2020 deadline for implementation of EU MDR-compliant PMS in general).  Annex III's standing PMCF waiver option is a permanent fixture of the EU MDR's PMS provisions that apply from 26 May 2020 [per Article 120(3)] and remain applicable thereafter regardless of the soft-transitional provisions.

    Claiming equivalency to other marketed predicates is a notion not clearly germane to PMCF.  Remember that PMCF is a post-market endeavor where the manufacturer compares the observed (actual) post-market risk profile of its CE-marked device with the guessed (pre-market) risk profile.

    Claiming equivalency to other marketed predicates is instead a notion that is germane for Clinical Evaluation, which is a pre-CE-marking (or pre-CE-marking "renewal") (i.e., a pre-market) exercise that reviews clinical data (which might indeed consist of data from other marketed predicates) as part of the pre-market GSPR conformity assessment process, in particular regarding GSPRs 1, 8, and 9.

    Be sure to keep the specific intentions for Clinical Evaluation (pre-market) vs. PMCF (post-market) distinctly clear when tackling these challenging tasks.

    Finally, I'm also unaware of anything in the EU MDR indicating that the Article 120 transitional parameters have any bearing on Article 61's requirement for pre-market Clinical Evaluation (and thus any related claims of equivalence to predicate devices) except as follows:  Remember that Article 120(3) demands EU MDR-compliant PMS (among other things) by 26 May 2020, but not EU MDR-compliant Clinical Evaluation.  So a manufacturer's Clinical Evaluation done for MDD conformity assessment can, by way of Article 120(2), remain valid until the end of the applicable soft transition period.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden, CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 14.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 13-Dec-2019 23:31

    Kevin,

     

    I am still confused... I understand the MDR is not prescriptive on the PMCF need and refers to the Med dev. However ,happened to read an article on PMCF from Medtech Intelligence on PMCF https://medtech.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/MT123213/EU-PostMarket-Clinical-Follow-Up--What-Manufacturers-Need-To-Know

    where in  , it was explained that the gap analysis of the CER as per MDR  to comply with adequate clinical evidence ( if the existing CER is based on equivalent devices) , could / need to also result in a PMCF which forms part of the CER  after the soft transition. Is there any truth in this article ?

     

    Thanks,

     

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    Rashmi Pillay

    Regulatory Affairs Manager

     

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  • 15.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 14-Dec-2019 17:25
    Many thanks for forwarding that background article on PMCF.  I think Paul Brooks' post from this morning contains much wisdom when it comes to the inevitable divergence of opinions about EU MDR interpretations during this early phase when so little official guidance is available.  A famous U.S. sports personality is fond of saying that there are usually at least three ways to solve any problem, so I can offer my particular understandings in the context of the background article about which you've requested my feedback.  Such articles have much to offer our industry and I'm thankful to have access to those resources.  The background article and topic are multifaceted, so I expect much can be said in response.  Perhaps you could take your concerns from that article one at a time and then the Forum could provide its particular impressions.  I can certainly provide a single response all at once, but it will be lengthy and maybe more than you're looking to digest altogether.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden, CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 16.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 14-Dec-2019 19:20
    Edited by Julie Omohundro 14-Dec-2019 22:15
    I think these different interpretations are interesting from an academic perspective, which is to say, from the perspective of a regulatory geek.  From a practical perspective, for someone who simply needs to figure out what to do to with their device(s), I think they are as likely, perhaps more likely, to bring confusion as clarity.

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    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
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  • 17.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 14-Dec-2019 21:22

    Thanks Kevin and Julie...  I agree with your advice , will take it step by step and probably more clarity comes through ..  

    Thanks,

     

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  • 18.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 14-Dec-2019 22:41
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    Attached is a version of the previously given process but adjusted to be viewed from a market-entry / pre-certification perspective.  Let me know if it helps with your questions.

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    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden, CO
    United States
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  • 19.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 14-Dec-2019 23:32

    Kevin,

     

    Thanks for sharing the flow chart , provides clarity  to the process.

     

    Thanks,

     

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    Rashmi Pillay

    Regulatory Affairs Manager

     

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  • 20.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 14-Dec-2019 19:14
    Edited by Julie Omohundro 14-Dec-2019 22:17
    I concur.  I think the biggest need going forward is an understanding of the interrelationships among the different aspects of the MDR that involve clinical safety and effectiveness.

    I thought this was the biggest need under the MDD as well, but, as far as I could tell, many companies (maybe most, maybe even all, I can't say) not only did not understand the interrelationships, but often didn't recognize that there were interrelationships there to be understood. 

    I suspect that a deep dig would show that a lot of the driving force behind the MDR was an effort to better connect these dots.  Whether or not it will succeed, time will tell.  If the NBs can't connect them, probably not.  If they can connect them, but don't have the will or capacity to...[enforce-not?]...industry to connect them, then also probably not.  I do see signs that a better understanding is developing on the industry side, but, at this point, I think that "better" is a pretty low bar.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 21.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 04:29
    PMCF was a requirement under the MDD, and is clearly stated in Med Dev 2.7.1 Rev4. I have just come out of a 2 day CE Tech file audit with BSi under the MDD and we had to place a justification to not do PMCF based on PMS activities as the Med Dev allows a justification but needs clearly documented

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  • 22.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 11:42
    IMO, if there is an option to justify not doing something, then doing that something is not actually a requirement.

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    Julie Omohundro, ex-RAC (US, GS), still an MBA
    Principal Consultant
    Class Three, LLC
    Mebane, North Carolina, USA
    919-544-3366 (T)
    434-964-1614 (C)
    julie@class3devices.com
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  • 23.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 15-Dec-2019 23:49
    In light of various questions and confusion surrounding PMCF, I've published a white paper entitled "Navigating PMCF and its Mysterious Relationship to PMS and Clinical Evaluation in EU Regulation 2017/745"The guidance is formatted in 'Question and Answer' format constructed from some fundamental questions I've seen to be difficult and/or pivotal for making sense (or a mess) of European PMCF and its relationship to PMS and Clinical Evaluation.

    For a prompt copy delivered to you via email free of charge, please send an email to info@complianceacuity.com identifying yourself and your request.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
    Golden, CO
    United States
    www.complianceacuity.com
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  • 24.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 15-Dec-2019 23:54
    Note that the white paper contains an updated version of the Figure I sent a couple times earlier in this thread.

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    Kevin Randall, ASQ CQA, RAC (Europe, U.S., Canada)
    Principal Consultant
    ComplianceAcuity, Inc.
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  • 25.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 12:04
    Kevin, this should be extremely helpful to many people.  I'm resisting temptation to even look at your diagram, because I've got something similar on my to-do list for 2020, and I'd like to see what I come up with independently.  I'll be interested to compare it to your diagram.

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  • 26.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 15:50
    I tend to take the same approach Julie.  Looking forward to learning more about what you come up with!

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  • 27.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 22:37
    I look forward to seeing what I come up with, too. :)   My instincts are that I'm likely to take a different approach, but the result will be consistent with yours.

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  • 28.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 03:04
    Hi to everyone,

    In a simple way of thinking (i agree with Julie about the practical point of view) I can see the following with MDR:
    -If you are based on equivalence during your pre-market phase, you will most probably go with PMCF after the approval
    -if your product is low risk and you can proceed a clinical investigation, you will most probably go without PMCF after the approval
    -If you conduct a clinical investigation and you do not have residual risks, according to your risk assessment, you will most probably go without PMCF
    -If you conduct a clinical investigation and you have residual risks, a PMCF will be required to address those risks
    -If you have a product which is novel or difficult to investigate it adequately through clinical trials, you will definitely go with PMCF

    All the above assumptions are hypothetical. Maybe PMCF will be more rare than we have imagined, or maybe they will be a routine part of the PMS (i doubt about that). To me, everything that will increase the cost so much, will be set aside as an non-major requirement. I find it very difficult to see how the manufacturer will handle the cost of all the post-market requirements. Most of the manufacturers in EU are SME companies.

    That's my point of view and I apologize if it is quite simplified.

    Thank you

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    Medical Devices Expert
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  • 29.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 11:57
    Spyros, I agree, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    [You refer mostly to "PMCF" but once to "a PMCF."  Not sure if it has been settled whether "PMCF" is a study or not, so if someone says PMCF, I don't think "PMCF study," but only if they actually say "PMCF study."  When someone says simply "a PMCF," I'm inclined to think they have decided that "PMCF" is a study, but I don't know.]

    I would have expected PMCF to be common but PMCF studies to be rare.  However, the EU's apparent inclination to apply the notion of "equivalent," only without the considerable amount of wiggle room accorded to FDA by "substantially," could make PMCF studies more common.  I"m also cynically inclined to see the need for a PMCF study as a convenient mechanism by which regulators can permit a device to be placed on the market without adequate clinical data to support it, and then try to fill that hole later.  This hasn't worked out very well for FDA, but we'll see how the NBs like it.

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  • 30.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 16:07
    Indeed there are ambiguities regarding "PMCF" vs. "PMCF study" in the language used by the MDD, MDR, and MEDDEV.  But when weighed against the fundamental and unique purpose of PMCF, I've concluded that when PMCF is required, then it will always be a PMCF "study" as I explain in my whitepaper.  It is the particular nature of the clinical data being examined (e.g. prospective clinical data vs. retrospective clinical data) and especially the particular goals/endpoints of the study are what will lead to adjustments in the size and formality of the study.  For example, a PMCF study rising to the level of a full-blown post-market clinical trial are called "PMCF Investigations" by Article 74, whereas a study of retrospective clinical data (e.g., complaints, scientific literature, social media, etc.) would be a PMCF study that is not a PMCF Investigation.  In any event as I discuss in the white paper, I believe we must resist the temptation to equate/coalesce proactive PMCF studies of retrospective data with our ongoing reactive PMS involving the same data.

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    United States
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  • 31.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 16-Dec-2019 15:48
    Great summary of that aspect of PMCF Syros.  I would agree with those assertions as general rules (but of course to be vetted for the specifics of each individual case).  Thank you!

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  • 33.  RE: PMCF and MDR

    Posted 17-Dec-2019 02:14
    Thanks a lot Kevin.

    Julie, I think that if a manufacturer cannot waive a PMCF, they will proceed with a study. That was my understanding of this process.We will have to wait and see!

    The problem is that in most of the cases, some cases will lead the way (just like the US judging system), because with expect more transparency in clinical and PMS.

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    Spyros Drivelos
    Medical Devices Expert
    Agia Paraskevi, Athens
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